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maybe the wrming has ended maybe not. It would be better if it not because it can be the begining of ice era
some of my favorites, the rest of the irony can be found here.
thought it fitting with this winter storm going on up north.
maybe the wrming has ended maybe not. It would be better if it not because it can be the begining of ice era
its winter you know
in other news, the fact that it's light outside RIGHT NOW means it will never be dark again.
Holy .
Global Warming fanatics remind me very much of religious fanatics. It's all about BELIEVING.
Here's something of interest on the topic:
SURFACE TEMPERATURE RECORDS: POLICY DRIVEN DECEPTION?
Global Warming fanatics remind me very much of religious fanatics. It's all about funding LYING.
All of the global warming deniers can be traced back to funding by oil/gas/energy/etc corporations that would have to spend $Bs to stop polluting air, water, land.
Facts come from 1000s of global warming scientists.
Funded "facts" come from global warming deniers.
Global Warming fanatics remind me very much of militant, "Christian"-supremacist, Bible-thumping sheeple, who apparently haven't read anything in the entire lives except the Bible, and even there, they depend totally on their money-grubbing, hate-mongering "shepherds" to hear that Biblical stories, written for intellectual children, are "in fact" scientific and verified history.
LOL @ the chumps who were actually convinced the global warming movement was about the environment.
lolololololololololololol Nice prius brah.
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre
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* Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
* There has been no global warming since 1995
* Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes
Professor Phil Jones
Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be'
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.
The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.
The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.
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Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics.
Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.
Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change.
That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades.
According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.
Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted.
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But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made.
Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.
‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’
He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.
He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend.
And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.
Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries.
But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.
Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.
‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.
‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’
Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been hotter then than now.
Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his data with them, saying they could always collate their own from publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a warming trend’.
Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.
But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.
He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change advocates.
He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were ‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the science was not settled.
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This is still trying to use short-term data to describe long-term trends
The skeptics use data from one year and the supporters use data from 200 years. Too bad geology occurs on scales that are so much larger.
And even assuming the data to support the "hockey stick" was correct (which is a huge leap of faith since it no longer exists) even 200 years is just short term. The earth has heated, the earth has cooled, the earth has heated, the earth has cooled...and all long before man had ANY influence on the planet.This is still trying to use short-term data to describe long-term trends
The skeptics use data from one year and the supporters use data from 200 years. Too bad geology occurs on scales that are so much larger.
El ing Nino. Changes the path of the jet stream. Leads to increased likelihood of extra big dumps of snow on the US Eastern seaboard. How many times do I have to explain this?
As for climate change, I'm not even going to debate it any more. There is simply no point. Deniers deny while in complete ignorance of the breadth and scope of understanding of recent paleoclimate history, and the climate system in general. Opinions are entrenched in complete ignorance of the mainstream evidence. Peer-reviewed science is conflated with politics and grand conspiracy theories and confused for witchcraft. it, and all you denier dumbasses.
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Read the ing news. The VERY PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN RELYING ON TO PROVE GLOBAL WARMING ARE ADMITTING THEY FUDGED THE DATA AND IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT THERE IS NO MAN CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING.
THE GREAT CLIMATE CHANGE RETREAT
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A key scientist has conceded that there has been no "statistically significant" rise since 1995
Monday February 15,2010
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THERE has been no global warming for 15 years, a key scientist admitted yesterday in a major U-turn.
Professor Phil Jones, who is at the centre of the “Climategate” affair, conceded that there has been no “statistically significant” rise in temperatures since 1995.
The admission comes as new research casts serious doubt on temperature records collected around the world and used to support the global warming theory.
Researchers said yesterday that warming recorded by weather stations was often caused by local factors rather than global change.
The revelations will be seized upon by sceptics as fresh evidence that the science of global warming is flawed and climate change is not man-made.
The Daily Express has led the way in exposing flaws in the arguments supporting global warming.
Last month we revealed how the UN’s International Panel on Climate Change was forced to admit its key claim that Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035 was “speculation” lifted from a 1999 magazine article. The influential IPCC then admitted it had got the key claim wrong and announced a review.
The Daily Express has also published a dossier listing 100 reasons why global warming was part of a natural cycle and not man-made.
Yesterday it emerged that Professor Jones, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, had admitted he has trouble “keeping track” of the information.
Colleagues have expressed concern that the reason he has refused Freedom of Information requests for the data is that he has lost some of the crucial papers.
Professor Jones also conceded for the first time that the world may have been warmer in medieval times than now. Sceptics have long argued the world was warmer between 800 and 1300AD because of high temperatures in northern countries.
Climate change advocates have always said these temperatures cannot be compared to present day global warming figures because they only apply to one specific zone.
But Professor Jones said: “There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not.
The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.
“For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the southern hemisphere. There are very few climatic records for these latter two regions.
“Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th century warmth would not be unprecedented.”
Professor Jones first came under scrutiny when he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit in which leaked emails were said to show scientists were manipulating data.
Researchers were accused of deliberately removing a “blip” in findings between 1920 and 1940, which showed an increase in the Earth’s temperature.
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama and a former lead author on the IPCC, said: “The apparent temperature rise was actually caused by local factors affecting the weather stations, such as land development.”
Ross McKitrick, of the University of Guelph, Canada, who was invited to review the IPCC’s last report said: “We concluded, with overwhelming statistical significance, that the IPCC’s climate data are contaminated with surface effects from industrialisation and data quality problems. These add up to a large warming bias.”
Ive said it before in here recently, of course there is change of climate, but that's just a natural phenomena, which has always been here on earth. Ive always been sceptic on this so called GW fear.
If its a human cause, we dont know, there is no evidence. These scientists cant speak of evidence, there is none, we dont know what and why. Plus now it comes out that their researches are even based on lies and fudging data.
The main thing is that if people are scared, you can do anything with them and people will spend. This global warming fear and hype is very good for economics ----> certain peoples pockets and power and generating funds.
Im looking forward to see how this situation with IPCC will fold out.
You sir, need to calm down. You are the one who is making a fool out yourself when doing so. Why discuss when you cant hold the anger and disagree? Over the last weeks with this GW discussion on here you have been belittling everyone who disagrees with you, you curse all the time when you see people having different opinions than you.
Come on man, just discuss and talk, don't bash and curse all the time, it's not necessary.
Do you see anyone else in this or the other thread doing that? Did you see me calling you a naive, GW hyped up, green peace tree hug loving, brainwashed d-bag? just because I dont agree with you? No!! well, now I did, as an example.
relax man, and tell us something about these reports about the IPCC fraud instead.
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Global Warming has slowed down the last few years because of the Somalian Pirates!
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Ruff can't change his position now. This is what he's chosen as his life's work.
I hear they are going to make a "40 Year Old Virgin II"
He can always try out for the lead in that if his global warming gig takes a dump.
Yeah, that's exactly why Im interested to see what he thinks about this recent IPCC fraud.
I have no doubt that he will state there is no actual fraud involved.
It's no use. He went to college at the University of Indoctrination.
Ruff, I suggest you read this:
SURFACE TEMPERATURE RECORDS: POLICY DRIVEN DECEPTION?
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