what scared you? the way i see it tawn a 4 who can shoot 3's yet has enough size to rebound well but is athletic unlike bonner and puts dice on the bench were he's more comfortable
RJ+Dice for Jamison+Miller.
Washington gets under the tax this season (net of 7-8M), Spurs add 3M in lux tax.
Washington increases salary by 7M next season, San Antonio decreases the same.
San Antonio increases salary by 15M for 2011-12, Washington decreases the same. (long lockout reduces this future obligation)
Probably has no chance of happening, but pull for the Cavs to get Amare so that Washington's best customer for Jamison disappears.
Miami has now become interested in Jamison as well...
Hmm, I guess we are going with what we got.
tawn's up there in age.. and he's had some bad games.. and the whole injury thing he came out of..
but i know as a spur he'll still produce more than what we've got right now
Antawn Jamison Trade.....will never ever happen. Stop dreaming on this one! or atleast wake up from your fantasy!!
This is more highly likely will happen. We can only hope it will turn out right. If not rebuild next year. Splitter hopefully will come (not saying he is a saviour) and a lot of old geezers will be gone next year.
I don't know the exact amount Memphis has left in cap space, but a deal of Randy Foye to their or to Orlando (TE from Hedo deal) makes a bit of sense for those teams, though I'd imagine Wasington would rather move Jamison than cheap talent.(And Moving Foye now when tthey gave up the 5th pick to get him would just make them look dumb)
Why do you say that? because there hasn't been many rumors? I wouldn't put too much stock in that. If anything I'd say the FO is just really mum about any moves their trying to make, as always. When we traded for Jefferson it caught everybody by surprise. No reason to think it couldn't happen again. All the teams talk to each other, and who knows what (further) develops between now and thursday..... I haven't given up on the FO making a move..... But it's certainly not imminent.
lol u sound like me when ppl were talking about getting stoudemire..
Spurs will not make a big move or not make a move at all. I think the FO is likely looking at the future and do not want to lose grounds or affect the future.
Lets face it. Even Duncan's time to retire is nearing, FO will try and do their job to get help for him and win more champoinship. Every champions has to know when to rebuild.
Don't be twisted, I have not given up to the spurs. I am merely stating that you can't win it all. They will be the time we will get back there again.
On The Block: Antawn Jamison, Wizards
SportingNews
The facts: Even before the suspension of star guard Gilbert Arenas, Washington was having the most disappointing season of any team in the NBA. The Wizards have already begun dismantling their core, sending forward Caron Butler, center Brendan Haywood and guard DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas in a trade this past weekend. Now, the Wizards are considering whether to further the rebuilding by giving up Jamison.
Bait needed: Unless they plan on re-signing small forward Josh Howard, the Wizards got very little in return for Butler and Haywood, so if they are to deal Jamison, they’ll need to get something besides cap relief—either a draft pick, a young player or both.
Welcome mat: For weeks, word of the Cavaliers’ interest in Jamison has been prominent on the rumor mill, but with Cleveland focusing on talks with Phoenix for power forward Amare Stoudemire, Jamison has been pushed to the back burner. But interest in adding Jamison has sprouted up elsewhere—there was some talk of interest from Charlotte—but the hardest charge is now coming from the Heat, who badly need another scorer to complement guard Dwyane Wade. If Jamison is to be traded, Miami may be the likeliest destination.
Logic test: The Wizards like Jamison. Last season, when the team was wracked by injuries, Jamison was ever the professional. He played hard and set a good example for the team’s younger players. He is the kind of guy the franchise would like to keep around, but with a prohibitive contract (two more years, at $28 million), Washington could create significant cap space by dealing him. Still, the Wizards are in no hurry to move Jamison—they could ride out the season with him and see what the market for him is around draft time.
So they say: "I’d like to see us improve our personnel. No matter who it is, if we can get someone to help us, I am all for it. When you are playing in this league, you dont want to give a season away for rebuilding." —Wade on the possibility of the Heat adding a player—Jamison, perhaps—at the deadline.
Bottom line: The Wizards need to start over. They’ll need a big, expiring contract and a young player of value—it’s hard to see Cleveland forward J.J. Hickson being such a guy—to be nudged into moving Jamison. If Miami sweetens its offer, Jamison could wind up there, but it’s likely he stays in Washington.
Might as well post the whole piece. . .
Where do the Wizards go from here?
by Michael Lee
After announcing their desire to hit the reset button on this team and shed salary after dealing Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to Dallas, the Wizards remain aggressive about trying to make some more deals to cut payroll and get under the luxury tax this season.
The trade with the Mavericks chopped nearly $2.5 million off the books this season. And, with the team getting relief in the form of a 50 percent discount for the salaries of the suspended Gilbert Arenas and Javaris Crittenton, the Wizards' luxury tax penalty has been reduced to about $3 million.
The Wizards have no desire to hand the owner a luxury tax bill for a woefully bad lottery team. In order to get under the tax, the Wizards would have to deal more players and give out more money than they take back. They could also trade with teams that have trade exceptions. There are twenty teams with trade exceptions that could be used in deals in which the salaries don't match up - and most of them expire on Thursday. The other option is making trades for players and buying them out.
Depending on what happens with Antawn Jamison or if the Wizards make other trades down the road, a buyout could be an option for Drew Gooden - although a league source told me that that isn't something that has been considered or discussed at this point.
The Wizards actually need Gooden to play right now. But Gooden has also grown accustomed to playing on contending teams. Last season, Gooden was traded by the Chicago Bulls near the deadline and negotiated a buyout with Sacramento in order to finish the season in San Antonio.
Of course, the Wizards could also buy out other players on expiring deals, such as Mike James, who has been unable to get moved since asking for a trade after the first preseason game.
There are a lot of reports out there that the Cleveland Cavaliers and Phoenix Suns are closing in on a deal that would send Amaré Stoudemire to Cleveland. The Suns, according to reports, are said to be mulling an offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas's expiring contract, second-year forward J.J. Hickson, and a draft pick.
The discussions between Cleveland and Phoenix make sense since Cavaliers general manager Danny Ferry and Suns general manager Steve Kerr are former teammates with the San Antonio and close friends. They've also collaborated on deals in the past; most notably the Shaquille O'Neal deal last summer.
But there is also speculation that the talk is actually a smoke screen to get the Wizards to give them Jamison. As I said before, there is a lot of posturing at this time. The Wizards did the same thing with Cleveland with all of those rumors about sending Butler and Jamison to Boston.
It's almost like a girl flirting with somebody in order to get the guy they want to get jealous and make a move. This dance is played a lot in the days leading up to the deadline, but as one NBA executive told me recently, "Nobody can make anyone do what they don't want to do."
I've been told that the Cavaliers aren't the only team interested in Jamison. Miami has also expressed interest of late, according to a league source.
The Wizards definitely need to start over. No need to call it rebuilding, because in order to rebuild you have to something that you have stripped down. This is a 17-win team headed for another trip to Secaucus, N.J., in May. The Wizards would love to keep Jamison for his professionalism and character, but they also know that there is no reason to half-step through this process.
Moving Jamison could potentially help the Wizards in the short term and the long term -- and give Jamison a chance to play for something meaningful again.
We all know that the Spurs are notoriously known as the team most difficult to get information out of or from, so on the one hand it's not surprising to not hear them mentioned frequently in trade talk. On the other hand, given their situation, it is.
My sense is they're going to stand pat. Unfortunately. I think they're reluctant to take on a problem child with an iffy jumper like Thomas ($6.2 million is what he'll make next year on a team that figures to have four rotation bigs and that's without counting Bonner, who could be re-signed). Pop is having a difficult enough time to get more out of Jefferson; I just don't see the Spurs, for as intrigued as they must be by Thomas' physical tools, wanting deal with not only his antics, but having to fit him into the system in 31 games in order for him to look comfortable and to contribute in the playoffs. On top of that, he's not exactly known as a heady player.
It's easy to say "he'd help more next year", etc., but I think the Spurs are looking at this year and next as it (lock out after that likely leads to Duncan's retiring) and I get the feeling that if they're going to go down, they're going to go down with guys who have been here, who know the system and who don't cause problems.
The one last card this team has to play, if they don't use their cadre of expiring contracts at the trade deadline to shake up the team, is next year's trade deadline, where if the team still looks mediocre with (presumably) Splitter on board, Jefferson, McDyess, etc. in year two in the system and inevitable improvements from Hill and Blair, is to peddle Jefferson for either a veteran or two to help them for one final run or for a young player who can help them transition to the post-Duncan era. Until then, I think what we see is what we get and what we're going to get is a team who's ceiling has been established: 2nd round.
I highly doubt Spurs will take Jamison's contract without trading away RJ's contract. If Wizards can't trade Jamison for expiring contracts, they could settle for a player with a contract that expire in 2011 like RJ.
A nice little trade scenario for Spurs:
Spurs:
out: Jefferson, Mason, Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi, 2010 first round pick.
in: Jamison, Salmons, Miller.
Wizards:
out: Jamison, Miller.
in: Jefferson, Bonner, Mahinmi, Spurs 2010 first round pick.
Bulls:
out: Salmons.
in: Mason, Finley.
Wizards go under the tax, get a contract one year shorter for Jamison and have a pick to start the rebuilding process.
Bulls creates more 2010 cap space.
I might just cry tears of joy if that trade happened. Seriously.
Works for me...
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;...yhoo&type=lgns
Not really Spurs news, but pertaining to Thomas, one scenario was thought to be Thomas for Harrington. If Harrington goes in the McGrady trade, then you can rule out the Knicks as a destination for Thomas.
I'm not saying there wouldn't be tears, but there's another bodily function that would definitely precede it.
You'd have to change that 2010 pick to a 2011 pick; the Spurs already traded their 2009 pick, and you can't trade consecutive picks. Other than that, sounds good as far as I can tell. I really haven't seen enough of Jamison know how much of a boost he would be.
The Spurs can trade their 2010 pick, the prohibition is on trading two consecutive future first rounders.
Yes they can:
Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's inep ude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.
So everyone saw that the Bulls tried to get Dice for TT (some version of that) and that the Spurs turned it down.
No.
There was mention of Denver interest in Dice.
That's right, I mis-read it. But it seems the Spurs (at least from what is being reported) are not truly in the mix for TT.
Also, if the Spurs had a chance to dump Dice and did not, it probably shows you that they are not going to jump ship...yet.
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