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Then what does Amare want ???
I mean if he doesn' t like Cleveland a real contender where does he want to land ??
Just some News:
The Knicks and Rockets are getting closer to a deal that would send Tracy McGrad, Joey Dorsey and Brian Cook to New York in exchange for Jared Jeffries, Jordan Hill, and either Al Harrington or Larry Hughes.
There would also be some swapped draft picks, but the details are still being ironed out -- for example, if Harrington is included instead of Hughes, the Rockets wouldn't have to send back Brian Cook. T-Mac would certainly get some run for the sinking Knicks, but New York's real motivation is unloading Jeffries' $6.9 million salary next season.
Sources say that Amare Stoudemire has no interest in playing for the Cavaliers, and that the Cavs have started looking at other options.
Antawn Jamison is one of those other options, and while this doesn't mean that Amare is definitely not going to Cleveland, it no longer seems nearly as likely to happen.
Then what does Amare want ???
I mean if he doesn' t like Cleveland a real contender where does he want to land ??
is there a link to where the spurs turned down the deal?
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Blazers offering Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and likely cash to Clippers for Marcus Camby, league source tells Y! Sports.
Blazers offering Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw and likely cash to Clippers for Marcus Camby, league source tells Y! Sports.
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from Woj twitter page, maybe if this goes through that will keep them out of the TT trade
Following up the Camby news..
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Clips trying to attach Telfair to deals with Camby, but doubt Port takes him back. Perhaps $2-3 million needed to inspire Clips on package.
Spurs could match that offer, depending on how much the Clips value Outlaw. I would be surprised if they did not try to.
Last edited by DPG21920; 02-15-2010 at 07:52 PM.
Contrary to reports, sources say Amar'e Stoudemire has not told Cavs he doesn't want to play in Cleveland.
The Denver Nuggets and Houston Rockets made bids for Thomas over the weekend, league sources said. The Nuggets have actively searched for a big man in recent weeks, working to pry younger (DeAndre Jordan(notes)) and older ones (Antonio McDyess(notes) and Ben Wallace(notes)) without success.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns
As long and crazy as this thread is lets just throw out there a swap of Jeffersons. Minn will be shopping him this summer. Would you do it if it required Blair, as well?
Trade:
Spurs get Dunleav and Murphy
Pacers get RJ, FInley and Mason
spurs get longer on the front line. Not sure if athletic. Get 2 scorers, 3 point shooters, a passer at teh 3.
Spurs dump RJ. Pacers get like $6 mil in savings this year.
All contracts expire by 2011
THERE WAS NO DEAL. Get it? Chicago ONLY wants ending contracts. Dice has TWO years left after this one. THERE WAS NO DEAL OF DICE FOR TT.
Relax. It was in the same article as the TT stuff. He even quoted the guy talking about the Spurs turning down Denver's offer for Dice.
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Spurs working to help accommodate Roger Mason with a trade, agent Mark Bartelstein tells Y! Minutes down, wants to play. Spurs cool with it
It's fairly clear, barring something unforeseen, that the Spurs are going to stand pat. It's unfortunate that they're basically conceding one of (it looks like) the final two years of Duncan's career without even attempting to upgrade, but it appears they're resigned to the fact that they're probably not winning a championship either way, so they won't even bother making a trade in an attempt to improve their chances. Unbelievable.
This is what Duncan gave back $11 million over 2 years for? If I'm him I'm having a talk with Holt, Buford and Pop and telling all three of them I want something done and not some minor, insignificant crap. Thomas (and Salmons) is out there; Camby, possibly a few others who could help this team. All this team has to show for Duncan's giving back that money is a past his prime, vastly overpaid Jefferson and McDyess, who can't help Duncan protect the rim.
If they do nothing with the cadre of expiring contracts that they possess, this will have been a wasted opportunity. I don't understand why Buford and Pop haven't sat down with Ginobili and tried to gauge his plans for this summer. If he wants to move on (it sounds like he does), then this is something they need to know, I don't know, like NOW! His contract is valuable.
This organization needs to stop resting on their laurels. I don't care about the second half turnarounds of yesteryear; things were different then. They have to look at this team like this: even if they begin to play to their potential, are they good enough to win a championship? If they're being honest with themselves, the answer is no. If this team isn't going to go for it and they're not going to re-build, then what are they doing? Spinning their wheels, trying to convince Duncan that it's still '06 or '07 and that Ginobili, Jefferson, McDyess, Ratliff are either in or close to their primes? Just a hunch, but my sense is Duncan figured out the answer to that around the time that the fans did.
Blazers offer Blake to Clippers for Camby
By Adrian Wojnarowski
As the Chicago Bulls prepare to trade forward Tyrus Thomas before Thursday’s deadline, the franchise’s front office has suggested to prospective bidders that they have a solid offer of a middling first-round pick and expiring contracts, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
The Denver Nuggets and Houston Rockets made bids for Thomas over the weekend, league sources said. The Nuggets have actively searched for a big man in recent weeks, working to pry younger (DeAndre Jordan) and older ones (Antonio McDyess and Ben Wallace) without success.
After losing out on Caron Butler to the Mavericks, Houston has gotten serious with bids for Thomas and Washington’s Antawn Jamison, sources said.
Nevertheless, here are two developments to watch with Thomas: Several league executives suggested the Minnesota Timberwolves could be a sleeper for him. Minnesota general manager David Kahn has been researching Thomas and has plenty of assets – three 2010 first-round picks, multiple second-rounders and a host of expiring contracts – to make it happen. Once the Timberwolves trade Al Jefferson this summer, they can re-sign Thomas and plug him into the frontline with Kevin Love. Jefferson is expected to be traded for a talented, young small forward.
Trading for Thomas would be a way to get a long, athletic power forward with upside, and the Timberwolves could easily re-sign him this summer.
Here’s something else to watch: The Portland Trail Blazers were telling teams over the weekend they had a chance to acquire Los Angeles Lakers guard Sasha Vujacic and wondered whether teams might have an interest in obtaining him. This prompted several executives to suggest the Blazers were working on a three-team trade, including one Eastern Conference general manager who had been told the elements of the package included Thomas and Vujacic to Portland, the Bulls’ Kirk Hinrich to Los Angeles and the Lakers’ Adam Morrison, another expiring deal and a first-round pick to the Bulls.
“What has, or will kill this,” one GM said, “is that Portland just won’t take Vujacic on.”
The Lakers guard is owed $5.5 million next season.
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The Clippers have made Al Thornton available, sources said, and are trying to package guard Sebastian Telfair in a deal with him or center Marcus Camby. Several teams have inquired about DeAndre Jordan, but the Clippers have no plans to move him. …The Oklahoma City Thunder are a popular call for teams looking for a third team to aid in trades. …Despite some speculation, New Jersey Nets president Rod Thorn will not fire GM/interim coach Kiki Vandeweghe over what departed assistant Del Harris publicly insisted was a failed plan to get him promoted to head coach and Vandeweghe back to his GM duties. “Rod has too much compassion to do it,” one league executive familiar with Thorn’s thinking said. …Longtime Nets assistant Tom Barrise, who replaced Lawrence Frank for two games as interim coach, is the favorite to get the Fairleigh inson University basketball job, a source said. Barrise has moved back upstairs into the front office. FDU is using an interim coach this season. …Best line of the week came from an NBA executive mocking self-absorbed agent David Falk for taking public credit for proclaiming something that was obvious to everyone: The NBA was headed for labor strife. Said the executive: “He also told Naismith to put the peach basket over the doorway.”
NBA reporter Marc Spears contributed to this report.
wow, in regards to RMJs trade demands
It's unfortunate Mason wants out, but I don't blame him a bit. Pop told him to improve in certain areas in the off season, he diligently worked at it and came back a better all around player. Sure, his shooting has been inconsistent, but that'll happen when you inexplicably go from solid starter to fringe rotation player because of the presence of fringe NBA players like Finley and Bogans. Pop can't get over the fact that Finley isn't just no longer prime Finley, he's not even the Finley of '07.
The over the top loyalty to a player who played a part in one championship run is downright baffling. Pop had less loyalty to Bowen, Horry and Barry, all of whom were far more significant (at least the first two) and instrumental in this organization's success this past decade.
With this news, however, the Spurs should have no qualms about presenting this offer to the Bulls: Mason, Bonner, Mahinmi, 1st round pick for Thomas, Pargo. I'd prefer Salmons to Pargo, but doubt the Spurs would take back the added salary involved. Even still, the key to this deal for the Spurs is Thomas and it wouldn't hurt to acquire more insurance at the point.
Meh..the improvements Mason made were marginal at best. He was still not much more than a gunner off the bench.
Well what did you expect, a quantum leap forward, by a physically limited 29-year old? This guy wasn't some 23-year old freak athlete with a ton of room to grow. He got in better shape, was quicker, slightly better defensively, improved his ball handling some, as well as his passing off the dribble and in tight quarters.
Ideally, you're right. He's a good 8th man. But based on how this team is built, he probably should have retained his starting spot or at least been the 8th man. Instead, he was instantly relegated to 10th-11th man duty the instant training camp commenced.
I didn't really want to see him go, but apparently interest is "significant", so hopefully this news helps the Spurs land Thomas or someone of at least semi-significance.
Why did Mason Jr. never get the chance to start at shooting guard though?
I thought that Pop would start him from the beginning of the season and see where that went.
The Spurs played great the other day with Mason Jr. starting. Maybe after Pop called out Roger in the home game against Denver that pissed him off. Roger stepped up in the last Denver game when he was given the opportunity to start.
I'm not going to cry over Mason's trade demands..while he's obviously a seriously flawed player, he still has a right to complain after falling behind ty players like Finley and Bogans in the rotation for no reason..
Finley's role just always hurts the Spurs somehow..
My guess is because Jefferson was supposed to play the role of stopper. The Spurs quickly found out that he had no chance of doing that and because of that they tried to put a more defensive oriented SG into the starting lineup to take on that role.
Pop should have realized that the Spurs don't have that type of player and just played the talent (starting lineup could have used a knock down three-point shooter). Instead, he tried to force Bogans and now Hill into being Bowen 2.0. Even if he wanted to do that, it would have been fine, so long as Mason was used as the 8th man. As it turned out, he's been 10th-11th all season.
That's the only real argument for Roger, but it is a legit one.
Sure Roger has flaws like you mentioned, but having Bogans and Finley ahead of you has got to piss you off. Pop has definitely played a part in this trade demand.
Well hey, maybe for the people that thought we wouldn't make a move Roger has stepped up for you all and demanded one.
Good point. Maybe RJ's lack of defense hurt him too.
Tell me, how many of those open threes could Roger have knocked down that Keith Bogans bricked?
The starting lineup definitely could have used Roger's shooting to help space the floor a little more. He really should have had the first chance to start ahead of Finley at the start of the season.
Pop just messed up a lot of stuff.
Last edited by Ice009; 02-15-2010 at 08:57 PM.
Exactly.
PER is a good way to get a snapshot of a player's effectiveness, especially an offensive player like Mason. PER is adjusted so that a league-average player has a PER of 15.0. Last year as a starter, Mason had a PER of 11.9, this year his number is 12.0
If you took the 300 players in the NBA who played the most minutes and put them in order by PER, Mason was 224th out of 300 last year and 222nd out of 300 this year. That's who he is.
Hopefully his expiring contract can be put to good use.
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