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+ a first rounder iirc
The dude's held up well. He could pass for his mid-thirties.
I was just absolutely jacked for Oakley, especially given the makeup of the team, and to end up with Smith was a huge disappointment -- to say nothing of the contract and injuries.
+ a first rounder iirc
Yeah Charles Oakley.
Not gonna go there.
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Cute comeback. Who is laughing at me when I'm not around? Besides you and all of CrustyGarza's nutriders who are like 15 and don't know about basketball?
I mean, really, is that all you got? I guess I shouldn't have to ask that. All you've ever been good at on this site is petty, third grade comebacks because you can never talk x's and o's or personnel, unless it's you quoting Pop or some stupid like that.
I posted this in the trade speculation thread, but worth discussing here also...
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yj5mug8
What no "stupid carny" insult or anything?
Just like 2005.
Predictable
Who laughs at you? Dude, seriously, you should hang around more...
Yeah, while the trade itself wasn't bad, signing Bogans instead of re-signing Bruce was just dumb-ass stupidity.
In hindsight it sure was.
Bruce Bowen is thru as not just a Spur, but as a NBA player. Hes lost a step and cannot compete athletically, due to age. Why do you think hes not playing and working as a ESPN basketball analyst? You need to move on like Bruce did.
Hopefully they trade him to a team where he can fulfill his potential and win the 3 point shootout at All-Star weekend. That's really the only real preventing him from being Craig Hodges at this point.
I've been in a number of discussions with people defending the FO's attempts to get a Bowen replacement in here, and people have a hard time realizing just how few of those exist. Jefferson was at the top of a short list of guys who, in the right situation, MIGHT be able to help.
I'm still on record saying that a combination of Hill, Hairston and Mahinmi would be the best way to make up for the loss of Bowen. You can't just recover his versatility, so you make up for it with numbers of good defenders, preferably guys with long arms who can guard multiple positions.
DA was badly injured in a really hard foul as a Spur and had played in every game up to that point, IINM. He was then traded to probably the most out of control waste of talent franchise in the history of the NBA in the Jailblazers. He was neither injury-prone nor lazy when he was a Spur, and getting a payday to play alongside Bonzi Wells, Damon Stoudamire and Rasheed Wallace at their chronic smoking peak was nearly a polar opposite from the situation he left. By the way he played 76 and 70 games the next two seasons, four more games than David Robinson appeared in.
Suggesting that things would have gone the same way in San Antonio that they ended up going is once again a way of making yourself feel better, much like the people who say that the Spurs played smallball in 2006 because they'd have been swept by the Mavs otherwise.
There's a pretty versatile, intelligent and tough defender in Washington that could be had, but he's a bit of a project offensively: Dominic McGuire
So you would have wanted the $55 million, six-year contract on the books that DA wanted? Would he have lived up to that deal, IYO?
Wow, is that how much the offer sheet from Portland was for? As I remember it he took somewhere around MLE money because he was so mad at San Antonio for not even answering his phone calls while they were in Hawaii soothing David Robinson's ego.
So you would have wanted the $55 million, six-year contract on the books that DA wanted? Would he have lived up to that deal, IYO?
I just read 7 pages of this and the le should be changed to "EricB" is Very Condescending and BTW Mason Wants Out.
Now that I got that jab out of the way, if the Spurs got Raja Bell I'd be floored. That would be one of an acquisition if he's anywhere close to how good he was in Phoenix.
As for Roger Mason, I never liked him anyway. Yeah he made some game winners in the regular season, but where's the filler? Sometimes he gets on a good shooting streak during games, but that's about the extent of what he brings to the table. He's not the kind of roll player that will put you over the top (as opposed to a Bowen).
Inconsistent shooter with no rebounds, no defense, no slashing, no passing and he's demanding a trade? He should be happy Peter Holt's checks are still going through. We'll see how good he is when he takes his I can only go right show somewhere else.
One last thing, I keep reading Pop ruined RM. I don't like Pop anymore and playing RM at PG was stupid, but RM not being able to comeback from Pop's stupid move is his own fault. He was asked to do more and failed. That shouldn't taint you for the rest of your career as a 2 guard.
Why wouldn't Houston take on Lee instead of Harrington if that's on the table, or put Lee in instead of Jordan Hill. I doubt the Knicks are moving Lee for the DJ Augustin that's showed up this year.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yj8hhta
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjryf6x
I think you're confusing the two . . . it was Robinson who was flirting with taking the MLE from New York iirc.
But according to Basketball-reference's earnings estimates . . . I don't think it includes the buyouts . . . looks like with 10% increases it's about 6 years, 49?
The final deal was a sign and trade, 6yrs/48M, DA and Kerr for Steve Smith. DA played 4yrs for Portland and then was waived under the Allan Houston rule and received the remainder of his money from Portland while he played in Houston, Miami, and Charlotte.
but but...this would mean no James Jones for the Spurs!!
hey, you are right to bring back the Wizards option.
(didn't read the whole 18 pages, maybe someone talked about it)
Wizards wouldn't mind to get him back. ok, after the big trade the Wizards will be below the cap this summer, so Mason's early bird rights are worthless for them. still, they might want to re sign him, mainly to get a high character guy and bringing him back home isn't the worst way to start a new relationship.
Wizards still have some interesting players. Mike Miller is one of them and we know that the Spurs wanted him last year.
yes, he isn't the one to fill our urgent needs, TT plus Salmons would make so much more sense, but let's say plan A and B failed, wouldn't Miller be a nice plan C? (in such a trade we could also snap McGuire to make Blackjack happy!)
would be Mason, Bonner, Fin for Miller and McGuire.
as I said, doesn't solve the problems, but I would still think it makes the Spurs a slightly better team and Spurs get the option to re sign Miller with the Bird rights.
a wing rotation of Manu, Miller and RJ looks as good (slightly better offensively) as Manu, Salmons, RJ.
Yeah, and if I recall the Spurs were actually offering DA more money for fewer years, which was also a sore point for his agent.
btw. Wizards.
is it a potential plan D to bring in Blatche, if the TT trade fails?
Wizards might be willing to add some nice teasers, if we take him off their hands. (their 2010 2nd rounder for example. likely #34). would give the Spurs some security if they use their 1st rounder in another deal.
again, this is a plan D or E proposal and I just bring it on the table to get some opinions.
Blatche is certainly in the same sort of mould as Ty, though a little longer and bulkier and less athletic.(Also, JaVale McGee is probably in their long term plans at Centre, despite being lacking in basketball intelligence. Could be an option if we could grab him as our Athletic Centre prospect) Mason for Blatche as the Principles works, though I think they'd want to get under the tax this year aswell, and that would mean they'd have to clear even more salary, So a Three team deal such as
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yf8w7oe
Might make more sense(Clears 2.8 million off, They need to clear 2.6 to get under), They downgrade talent(Foye-> Mason, Blatche-> Arthur) But still get 1 young piece, and Memphis may want more scoring on it's bench to help a playoff run.
Thomas is certainly a better player(and prospect), but if we could squeeze an early 2nd(From Wash) or late 1st from Memphis(Own Theirs, Denvers, Lakers) it's not a bad Fallback option.
Foye may be worth keeping though, and they may just flick off Jamison and get under that way.
Because that has nothing to do with Mason.
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