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    I'm one of those that believe the rumors there was a friction between Bowen and Pop because Finley was in front of him on the rotation. This would be the second time Pop pulled the same . Obviously, this is mere opinion based on a rumor, so take it with a grain of salt.
    First thing I thought of when reading this as well.

    I don't hate Finley but he needs to be separated from Pop.

    Finley in the last two season's has prevented developing players such as Hairston, most likely caused friction with one of our greats Bowen, and now keeping Mason out of the line up.

    Mason and Fin are similar players, but at this stage of Finley's career Mason is the better player.

    Finely is even now taking up minutes at PF that could go to Blair or even some to Ian but thats not happening as long as Pop has the call.

    Finely... well the Finley Pop relationship is quietly killing this team.

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    First thing I thought of when reading this as well.

    I don't hate Finley but he needs to be separated from Pop.

    Finley in the last two season's has prevented developing players such as Hairston, most likely caused friction with one of our greats Bowen, and now keeping Mason out of the line up.

    Mason and Fin are similar players, but at this stage of Finley's career Mason is the better player.

    Finely is even now taking up minutes at PF that could go to Blair or even some to Ian but thats not happening as long as Pop has the call.

    Finely... well the Finley Pop relationship is quietly killing this team.
    Yup when Finley returned to the lineup even though it was short minutes it was enough to disrupt the team's chemistry, and esp Mason Jr/Bogans. Now that his minutes have steadily increased it's gotten even worse.

    With Hill being moved to the starting lineup Pop had his pick of Roger or Keith depending on the situation and I think that arrangement could have worked out ok (even though both would have their minutes reduced somewhat).

    But Finley getting a slice of those minutes now too? Unacceptable situation for a coach to expect that many guys to share roles. And like a previous poster mentioned, he's using Finley in a power forward role almost like adding a cherry to his total mind/rotation .

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    mother in Money Mase!

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    See yah Mas nice to know yah.. Dont let the locker room door hit you wear the good lord split yah...... Oh an get your parking pass stamped on the way out...

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    GTFO Mason

    I don't want to see your crap play in the playoffs again

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    All though in a way i cant really blame Mason much, i mean sure his defense sucked ass but so does most of the team.... Mason was playing extremely well till POP ed everything up, starting way back when he was brining back Bonner whom is a shadow of his former self....

    Hopefully if this trade or any trade goes down, SPURS get an young Big man that plays D... Cause appearantly offense is not the prob here.. Or Mason would be playing more...

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    In hindsight it sure was.
    In hindsight? Some of us said so at the time, quite loudly...

    Bruce Bowen is thru as not just a Spur, but as a NBA player. Hes lost a step and cannot compete athletically, due to age. Why do you think hes not playing and working as a ESPN basketball analyst? You need to move on like Bruce did.
    Do you remember our last playoff series vs Dallas? Who was the only wing player on the floor for us who was worth paying? Oh Yeah, that Bruce guy. There's a reason his minutes went to an average of 26 mpg for that series, when on the season he averaged 18.9; he was doing his job, and doing it fairly well. Bruce moved on because Pop didn't want him back; the decisions this season has made me willing to consider the possibility Pop was wrong.

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    Bruce moved on because Pop didn't want him back; the decisions this season has made me willing to consider the possibility Pop was wrong.
    I don't think we'll ever know for sure because I don't think Bruce or Pop will ever provide us with full details.The Spurs signed Bogans to the vet min to play a limited role. If that offer was not made first to Bruce, then Pop was wrong, plain and simple.

    There has been speculation that Bruce was not interested in returning to play a limited role. It appears fairly certain that he turned down an offer from Boston, and perhaps one from Cleveland, for reasons which he has not completely discussed. If the Spurs offered him a limited role and Bruce turned it down, I can't say that I find fault on either side.

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    Mason for a second round pick to Minny.

    Would that really surprise you?

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    Mason for a second round pick to Minny.

    Would that really surprise you?
    Since that trade is not allowed under the CBA, I would be shocked.

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    Since that trade is not allowed under the CBA, I would be shocked.

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    I don't think we'll ever know for sure because I don't think Bruce or Pop will ever provide us with full details.The Spurs signed Bogans to the vet min to play a limited role. If that offer was not made first to Bruce, then Pop was wrong, plain and simple.

    There has been speculation that Bruce was not interested in returning to play a limited role. It appears fairly certain that he turned down an offer from Boston, and perhaps one from Cleveland, for reasons which he has not completely discussed. If the Spurs offered him a limited role and Bruce turned it down, I can't say that I find fault on either side.
    You can't, I can. limited roles. I would happily have signed him for a year, and started him at the 2. He'd only get 24 mpg max, and he'd be our 3ed best wing, assuming RJ panned out. Given how RJ's been playing this year, he'd be our 2nd best wing...

    Manu > RJ >= Bowen > Mason >= Bogans > Finley

    PS. I count Hill as back up PG, not a wing. Still, he and Bowen would be pretty close to tied.

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

    "The Miami Heat and Memphis Grizzlies are being considered as possible destinations for Mason."

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    The Grizz want Mase. I say give them Mase and get Marc Gasol. Bam problem solved lol.

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    You can't, I can. limited roles. I would happily have signed him for a year, and started him at the 2. He'd only get 24 mpg max, and he'd be our 3ed best wing, assuming RJ panned out. Given how RJ's been playing this year, he'd be our 2nd best wing...

    Manu > RJ >= Bowen > Mason >= Bogans > Finley

    PS. I count Hill as back up PG, not a wing. Still, he and Bowen would be pretty close to tied.
    I'm not sure where we disagree, unless you think Pop should have assured a starting role. You say he would get 24 mpg max. 19 mpg was not apparently enough for him last year.

    Whatever, I loved Bruce as a Spur and wanted him back. If he needed an assured role as a starter or a specified number of minutes to sign a contract, I don't have a problem with Pop not giving such assurance.

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    Maybe the spurs are trying to reunite sam young and dejuan blair

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    I'm not sure where we disagree, unless you think Pop should have assured a starting role. You say he would get 24 mpg max. 19 mpg was not apparently enough for him last year.

    Whatever, I loved Bruce as a Spur and wanted him back. If he needed an assured role as a starter or a specified number of minutes to sign a contract, I don't have a problem with Pop not giving such assurance.
    I think he wanted an assurance from Pop that he wouldn't be sitting while worse players kept their time. ie. what happened last season with Finley and Mason; he was better than either when he got to play. There's no doubt Bowen's a compe or and wants to play (and win). I imagine he got pretty peeved at Pop over that fiasco. That kind of assurance, I have trouble with Pop NOT giving. Cause it appears he's given the other kind of assurance to certain players (Finley, Bonner)...

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    I think he wanted an assurance from Pop that he wouldn't be sitting while worse players kept their time. ie. what happened last season with Finley and Mason; he was better than either when he got to play. There's no doubt Bowen's a compe or and wants to play (and win). I imagine he got pretty peeved at Pop over that fiasco. That kind of assurance, I have trouble with Pop NOT giving. Cause it appears he's given the other kind of assurance to certain players (Finley, Bonner)...
    Well, then we do disagree. Opposing views make this board work. Some can't be bridged.

    Back to the Mason discussion.

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    Absolutely fine with dealing Mason. I like the guy, but I doubt losing him takes much away from the team and expiring contracts are a hot commodity right now.

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    http://twitter.com/MoneyMase/status/9193486616

    He's acting like nothing's changed . . .

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    He's doing what he is supposed to do.

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    Four years ago, the Spurs told Brent Barry not to go to the airport because he had been traded. The trade fell through, he made the flight and stayed around another 2+ years.

    Like we hear them say all the time, "it's just business".

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    Maybe the spurs are trying to reunite sam young and dejuan blair
    I'd take Sam Young's Big East pedigree any day.

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    until it is offical he does not want to mess it up

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    I'd take Sam Young's Big East pedigree any day.
    yah if spurs trade to memphis hope its for this guy because the spurs wanted him

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