TBH, I think some people have to let go of "winning this year"..I hope we can turn it around too, but it would be VERY DIFFICULT to win a le with Keith Bogans and Michael Finley in the rotation, along with having no size or athleticism in the frontcourt..
The way to succeed when your front court doesn't have size and athleticism is for your PG/SG/SF to bring the athleticism/quickness and constantly put pressure on the ball..unfortunately for us, Jefferson/Bogans/Finley don't play defense..
kind of makes sense, no shame in rebuilding now. spurs tried and failed to make the pieces work. the quicker they begin rebuilding, the faster they finish it. mcdyess on a non contending spurs only takes up time and money. his minutes can go to someone younger for development.
this is just an elaborate smokescreen though. the final trade will be roger mason + mahinmi + splitter's rights + first round pick for marc gasol.
It's too bad Dice is on a deal with 2 years guaranteed instead of just this one; if the latter was the case, then he could have been bought out if traded and at least signed with a contender. I hate the situation for him, but at the same time this team is nowhere close to a le this season and he should probably be moved if it can get the team some decent young talent. Duncan is the only untouchable on the Spurs right now. If Dice signed for the minimum then you clearly could not trade him after he took such a paycut, but I don't feel nearly as bad moving him on an MLE deal. I'm a huge Dice fan and don't think he did anything wrong here, but the team crumbled around him and I think it desperately needs to reload for next season.
Not a team in the NBA other then Spurs that like him I'm thinking.
That is why if the Spurs could get Thomas/Salmons for crap like Bonner, Mason, Finley I would do it NOW....
Agree.
Maybe it's a negotiation trick with Chicago like "If you want us to take Salmons, we had to dump Dice first." When Spurs will fail to dump Dice, Bulls could be more ready to speak about a trade without Salmons included.
I kinda want the Spurs to take on Salmons though, that way we get Bonner and Finley off this team...
He could still be bought out. There were nearly two full seasons and more dollars left on his deal when he was traded last year.
Thing is, the Spurs are trying to trade him for expiring contracts. That means they have to send him somewhere that want him to actually play and someplace that he finds acceptable. That greatly limits the number of possible trade partners.
This sucks... McDyess was starting to look better, and I feel we never gave him the minutes and role he deserved (even as a starter his minutes were inconsistent, 20 min one game 15 the next, etc)... Hopefully there's more to this story, but you have to wonder what it's like in that Spurs locker room right now.
What is up with the negative talk about Dyess' game by some of the posters here????? Do you guys actually watch any of the games? Haven't you heard about how he's a second half of the season player? How Chauncy used to joke with him and say, "It's Valetine's Day" time to start playing? Have you seen his stroke latley?
His play has improved and at this point he's looking like the guy we traded for. Still a little late on weakside help defense but his offensive game is what we thought it would be. He's hitting his midrange jumpers with a smooth shot that gets nothing but net. He's spacing the floor. Who are you people????
Trading Dyess at this point for another big sucks for this season, especially since he's a good character guy and team player. He deserves better. The only way I'm happy about losing him is if we parlay this into getting two younger bigs. This season is a mess.... I wouldn't feel bad at all if we were shopping (we have an no one wants him) and he left, but Dyess has Spur written all over him. Good character, team player and consumate professional. If he's traded I hope he ends up with some jewlery. Guys like Dyess deserve a ring.
We can trade for Thomas now and wait until summer to deal Dice
Trade Dice now would be stupid
Very interesting article. Some thoughts:
1. If the Spurs are already to the point where they are potentially making room for Ty Thomas, shouldn't that mean that they could be relatively close to trading for Ty Thomas? For expirings and a first rounder, that's a good trade ... especially if there is a plan in place to keep him around.
2. My initial reaction when the Thomas rumors began was that Thomas wouldn't help this season. But if McDyess is moved, Thomas suddenly would be thrust into the fire. In fact, I think Thomas becomes a starter if McDyess isn't around. Even though Blair is likely better right this second, Thomas fits well next to Duncan.
3. I feel sorry for McDyess. He was my favorite player outside of the Spurs before this season. He really deserves a ring. Hopefully he can be traded to a team with even better championship hopes. (If the Cavs don't get Stoudemire, getting Maggette and McDyess wouldn't be a bad Plan B. [Though it'd be complicated getting McDyess on Cleveland just for expirings.])
3. I'm not sure what went wrong with McDyess and the Spurs. McDyess' slow start shouldn't have been too surprising. Then again, it never really seemed like McDyess was the first option for the Spurs last summer. I'm guessing that Greek bigman was Plan A ... and I'm still not convinced the Spurs wanted McDyess over Wallace. This news seems to indicate McDyess wasn't a hugely sought after piece.
4. It's good to see that Splitter is still in the plans. I'm not sold on him being a quality NBA player but at the very least his mobility defensively would help this team. Thomas, Splitter and Blair would be one of a young bigman trio.
5. Swapping McDyess essentially for Thomas would be a subtle way to start the rebuilding process without blowing everything up. I doubt it raises the championship hopes for this season but there's no doubt it'd give the team a higher ceiling going forward.
I was thinking this as well....why not just dump Bonner + others (Finley, Mason, etc.) for Thomas and give the front-court minutes to Duncan, Dice, Thomas, and Blair....
It could also be Spurs saying "if we can't dump Dice, Thomas will likely be a 4 months rental because we won't have the money to re-sign him. We can't give you what you ask for him."
Dice is too tall to play Center. Spurs are just trying to dump him to give Jefferson more time at Center.
Seriously though, this is an odd trade.
Either way, if the Spurs want to win this year, something has to be done..
Look at our frontcourt..
We have ONE guy with size, Duncan..
None of our rotation bigs have athleticism, and Blair/Bonner/McDyess don't have the size to make up for their lack of athleticism..
Look at all the other teams..
Boston has the size in Perkins/KG/Wallace..Cleveland has the size in Shaq, Z, quickness in Varejao and athleticism in Hickson..Dallas has size in Haywood, Dampier and Nowitzki..Denver has size in Nene and Anderson, along with athleticism in Nene/Anderson/Martin..Lakers have size in Bynum/Gasol/Odom along with relative quickness/athleticism..Orlando has Dwight Howard, the best defensive anchor in the NBA by a large margin..Portland has Camby and Alrdridge, along with their young bigs that bring a lot of athleticism and they are only there to replace their other bigs with size, Pryzbilla and Oden..
The only good team with comparable size/athleticism is Utah(they're more quick/athletic though) and they load up the rest of their positions with quickness/athleticism with Kirilenko and guys like Brewer/Miles..
Personally, I hope the Spurs don't "rebuild" right now, instead going with a "sink or swim" lineup..that will still keep the Spurs compe ive(probably better IMO, but a good chance that there will be growing pains) while seeing what they have in young guys..get Thomas, put Hairston and Ian in the lineup, and start a subtle "youth movement"..this is highly unlikely, but I can dream..
Agreed. This Spurs front-court would get killed in the Playoffs....Now if the Spurs do get Thomas from the Bulls and Bonner's minutes went to him, then I would feel more confident in the rotation. TD, Thomas, Blair, and Dice (if he isnt traded) isnt too bad....
I wonder if Don Harris will be going on WOAItv tonight or the 1250 Zone radio show and break the news about how "his sources" have informed him that Dice could be moved?
Then 36 hours from now McDonald will have a piece cut and pasted from Yahoo about the Spurs possibly moving Dice.
I believe the idea to use Dice's salary slot to pay Thomas. If Dice is traded for expiring contracts now, it removes his salary from next year's payroll. If they wait until the summer they can exchange his contract for other players, but it would be much, much harder to make his contract disappear. It would also cost a draft pick or a young player.
Yea, what a shame too, since I'm sure every NBA team exec. is secretly fantasizing to acquire Bonner and Finley.Oh wow! Spurs are shopping out Dice when they could shope out Finely, Bonner among others!?!?!?!
WTF.....oooohhhh now I remember. This guy is in charge
Especialy Finley and Bonner are not going anywhere as long as he calls the shots.
Right on the money
Maybe, but the problem is that there are MANY teams putting offers in for TT. Spurs really don't have the leverage to get "cute." If I'm the Bulls, I'd turn around and say, "that's fine Spurs, thanks for your time but we have to end talks now because we have a call with the Nuggets in 15 minutes. Ciao!"
No, but some teams desperately need outside shooting and Mason and Bonner could provide that for some teams...Yea, what a shame too, since I'm sure every NBA team exec. is secretly fantasizing to acquire Bonner and Finley.
If Spurs are trying to trade mcdyess, it all but says they are waving the white flag this year and planning for the future. I can't think of a realistic trade with mcdyess going out that would improve the spurs this year.
I don't know, what teams are out there?
Portland is off the table. Dallas is off the table.
Houston, even though they have about 3 dudes the same size making half as much? Cleveland? If he's on Cleveland's radar he's way down the list of their "guys we want" rollcall.
I guess Milwaukee. Other than that I'm having a hard time coming up with teams that would offer expirings +sweeteners for him.
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