Yes finally! Ok, so maybe it won't happen, but that contract will be valuable for trade next year at the very least...
There's no question the FO has come to that stark realization. Anyone who has checked the standings or watched how this team has played this year, would know that.Perhaps even more intriguing is whether Buford's intentions with Jefferson is a sign that he thinks the Spurs in their current form cannot win a le. The Spurs are essentially tied with the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Phoenix Suns for the fifth seed in the Western Conference but have lost eight of their past 14 games.
That 'multiple league sources' guy knows a lot!
lol
if only one of those "sources" was a fellow board member
anyone? no? Cmonnnn... we wont tell on youuuu
Somebody in the Spurs organization needs to go to Philly and work some magic..
and take this proposal with them
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykj7oxu
Grunfeld ducks questions about dealing Jamison
After the Washington Wizards traded Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood and DeShawn Stevenson to the Dallas Mavericks, it was natural to speculate that Antawn Jamison would be next to go.
With Gilbert Arenas suspended for the rest of the season and Butler dealt, Jamison, who’s been with Washington since 2004, is the only one of what was once the Wizards’ Big Three remaining.
“We still have the trade deadline. There’s still a lot of conversations going on,” Ernie Grunfeld, Washington’s president said on Tuesday.
The deadline is 3 p.m. EST on Thursday.
Grunfeld refused to speculate on a possible Jamison move. The 33-year-old Jamison, who’s averaging 20.5 points, has been rumored to be coveted by the Cleveland Cavaliers. He did not speak with reporters after practice.
“We’re still exploring things,” Grunfeld said. “We want to see what this group does. If we don’t make a move by Thursday, there’s also the opportunity to make a move during the summer.”
Washington received four players from the Mavericks—forwards Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, center James Singleton and guard Quinton Ross. All except for Gooden practiced with the team; Gooden was said to be traveling to Washington on Tuesday night and scheduled to be available for Wednesday’s game with Minnesota.
The Wizards did not address a media report that Gooden would negotiate a buyout of his contract.
Washington starts the second half of the season with a 17-33 record, ahead of only the sorry New Jersey Nets, who have a 4-48 mark, in the Eastern Conference.
“We had high expectations. Most people picked us to be one of the top four or five teams in the East and to win between 45 and 50 games, and that just didn’t happen,” Grunfeld said.
Howard, who was an All-Star in 2007, has been limited to 31 games this season due to a slow recovery from offseason left ankle surgery. He also had left wrist surgery. Howard is averaging 12.5 points this season.
“I’m coming here with a positive at ude, playing hard and trying to get us into the playoffs,” Howard said. “We can make a strong push and get the eighth spot—if not the seventh.”
Howard leaves Dallas, where he made the playoffs in each of his six seasons, for a team that had lots of turmoil this season. Arenas and Javaris Crittenton both admitted to bringing a gun into the locker room after a dispute stemming from a card game on a team flight. Both were suspended for the balance of the season.
“The things that happened before I got here—that was in the past. They handled it well,” Howard said.
Wizards coach Flip Saunders, who has four trips to conference finals on his resume, isn’t used to rebuilding teams. He said that it was still possible for his revamped team to make a playoff run.
“We’ll know in the next couple of weeks,” Saunders said. “How quickly the new players adapt will determine how we’ll be.”
Grunfeld, who’s been forced to dismantle the team he’s painstakingly built over the last 6 1/2 seasons, is eager to see what he’s left Saunders with.
“Anytime you make a change, it gives you a little bit of a rejuvenation,” Grunfeld said.
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Cavs talks with Wizards intensify
By Adrian Wojnarowski
The Cleveland Cavaliers have made significant progress in trade discussions with the Washington Wizards, offering Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamario Moon and a No. 1 draft pick for Antawn Jamison and Mike James, sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Some league sources believe this is a deal that is preferable to some members of the Cavaliers’ management and coaching staffs over Amar’e Stoudemire, but Cleveland still hasn’t made a decision on which trade to ultimately make. Other trade proposals that intrigue the Cavs are still emerging on the landscape, but the focus now is on Jamison or Stoudemire.
Washington is still trying to squeeze possibly another pick or young player out of the Cavs, but sources say it’s possible a deal could get done without J.J. Hickson. As it stands, both sides believe they have the framework of a workable deal.
Despite LeBron James’ desire for Stoudemire, sources say some within the Cavs aren’t completely sold that acquiring the Phoenix Suns All-Star forward is the best move at the trade deadline. The front office and coaching staffs have to walk delicately when dealing with James on these trade scenarios, because ultimately he has to buy into the move they make.
“I don’t think that Phoenix believes that its deal for Amar’e is Cleveland’s No. 1 choice anymore,” says a league source briefed on both team’s discussions.
Some Cavs officials are intrigued with Stoudemire, but believe that Antawn Jamison – and potentially other targets – could be a better fit. Stoudemire would bring dramatic change to a team that has won 13 straight and currently owns the NBA’s best record.
The Cavs may still do the Stoudemire deal, but not without some level of pause.
James’ desire to play with Stoudemire has been a major reason why the Cavaliers and Suns are so deep in negotiations. James has told Cavs management he can make things work among Stoudemire, Shaquille O’Neal and himself. Ultimately, that task will upon him far more than coach Mike Brown.
Talks with the Wizards were ongoing on Tuesday and sources believe the Cavs were starting to relent on Washington general manager Ernie Grunfeld’s demands for Jamison. For a long time, Cleveland – and others around the league – truly doubted Grunfeld’s willingness to part with Jamison, but that’s changed in the past few days, especially after the Wizards dealt Caron Butler.
Washington has been talking with Miami on a potential trade for Jamison, but much like the Suns, just doesn’t like what the Heat are offering.
As opposed to proposals from the Heat, sources says, the deal with Cleveland would give Washington more cap relief this summer.
Last edited by duncan228; 02-16-2010 at 07:36 PM.
Stoudemire >>> Jamison
Jamison's freaking 33 already and still has 2 years 29 million left on his deal. plus he's scoring a lot on a bad team, It'll be like our Jefferson trade, maybe worse.
J.A. Adande: With rampant speculation that Miami is trying to pry Amare Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns before the Cleveland Cavaliers can get him, here are two possible scenarios.
According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package.
Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season. The combined $29 million of outgoing salary from Stoudemire and Richardson this season would be too difficult for Clevlend to match to make a trade work under the salary cap guidelines. Miami, however, could add the $23 million expiring salary of Jermaine O'Neal to the previously mentioned offer and come within the 25 percent range of matching salaries. I have yet to hear that they are willing to do so, I am merely mentioning the possibility.
That would have obvious appeal to the Suns, allowing them to escape from luxury-tax land next season and positioning them to go after a major free agent this summer.
The Suns would be looking at nine players under contract for a total of about $33 million next season: Steve Nash ($10.3 million), Leandro Barbosa ($7.1 million), Grant Hill ($3.3 million player option), Channing Frye ($2 million player option), Goran Dragic ($2 million), Earl Clark ($1.9 million), Robin Lopez ($1.9 million), Jared Dudley ($2.2 million) and Cook ($2.2 million).
The Heat would be stuck with Richardson's contract and could potentially have Stoudemire opt out and leave them as a free agent. But they would also have Stoudemire's Larry Bird rights, enabling them to offer a longer and more lucrative contract than any other team. And they would have demonstrated to Dwyane Wade that they would do whatever it takes to bring another All-Star to play alongside him.
On The Block: Tracy McGrady, Rockets
SportingNews
With Thursday’s trading deadline approaching, Sporting News’ Sean Deveney assesses the latest player rumors. Today’s player on the spot: Rockets shooting guard Tracy McGrady.
The facts: The Rockets pretty much banished McGrady, who is coming back after having microfracture surgery a year ago. He played in six games in December, scoring 19 points total, before the team asked him to leave and announced it would seek a trade. It’s an awkward end to the McGrady era in Houston, where his pairing with Yao Ming never brought the team to the championship it envisioned.
Bait needed: The Rockets don’t want to take back a huge amount of salary for McGrady, whose $23 million contract expires this summer—they wouldn’t mind simply riding out the year with McGrady, letting his contract expire and sitting on the savings themselves. But if they can get some youth and/or draft picks, they would be willing to take back some contracts that go past this year.
Welcome mat: The Knicks and Bulls remain the two most prominent destinations for McGrady. Chicago would like to build a package around Tyrus Thomas and the expiring contract of Brad Miller, but would likely need to involve a third team to make things work. The Knicks have been pressing hard for McGrady, but they want Houston to take back the contract of Jared Jeffries, who has a player option worth $6.9 million next year. The Knicks are also reluctant to include rookie big man Jordan Hill in a deal with the Rockets.
Logic test: The Rockets, obviously, aren’t using McGrady, so they might as well deal him—but only if it does not do significant damage to the team’s cap situation in the future.
So they say: "I am not sure why the Rockets have done what they’ve done. They put (McGrady) out there for a few games, then sent him away. That really hurt the market for him. If you want to trade him, let the rest of the league see that he can still play." — Western Conference general manager
Bottom line: The Rockets are in a good position—they can perhaps bring in some young assets for McGrady, but the worst that can happen is they just let him walk at the end of the year or reach a buyout after Thursday’s deadline. Still, the team is being presented with some good scenarios, so expect a deal.
how about
(Bonner or Mason)/Finley/Mcdyess for Hill/Jeffries
is 4.5 mill in cap room next year worth a promising young PF to NY?
for us, I'm sure 7 mil for one year on Jeffries is easily worth getting Hill, it isn't like we were going to be able to sign any FAs this off season anyways.
Your question answers itself. The Knicks would almost certainly be willing to give up Hill to create 7M more in cap space. Your trade only nets them 2M in cap space, so it is very doubtful they would be interested.
plus the 2.5 mill they wouldn't be paying Hill
= 4.5 mill
how about a trade for ray allen, we need a pure three point shooter.(i hate his a$$ but put a spurs jersey on him and he's cool)
Yeah, but Miami has enough potentially to do it alone. O'neal's absurd contract plus a few pieces may be enough if the Heat decide to take on Richardson on top of Amare.
Last edited by CGD; 02-16-2010 at 08:55 PM.
You're right.
So that makes it more likely that the Knicks would do it. Hill has played so infrequently this year that I couldn't make a guess as to whether he may be of interest to the Spurs. One thing I would bet on is that Dice would retire before he reported to NY.
It is clear that any team willing to take on Jefferies can get a young player, picks, or both.
Ehh. No thanks.
Im sure we could easily come up with the 18 mil in contracts it would take.
Besides TT, I am lacking imagination on what the Spurs could be trying to do if they still think they can win now.
But maybe shopping Dice + RJ shows you they are giving up on the year. I don't know if they will actually be able to move those guys though.
if we gave up on this year, we could get a few good young pieces, or picks, there are lots of teams looking for expiring deals and we have a lot of them, most notably Manu's, and he'll probably come back next year anyways.
More like trying to salvage the year.
Ya, you guys are kind of exaggerating..it's not like the Spurs are getting enough from McDyess and Jefferson to say that we're "giving up" if they're traded..
There is still a chance, albeit a slim one, that with their talent they could turn it up. You trade them for expiring contracts there is no chance.
Is the big 3 still capable of winning a le? Under what cir stances?
I don't think we're going to win a le, but I don't think giving up McDyess or RJ would make a significant difference, which is all I'm saying..Jefferson isn't giving us anything that can't be replaced right now..
Hopefully we can get some actual assets for either of them, although it's doubtful..
As for the big 3, no, probably not..we probably need a legit #3 option to turn Manu into a high-end role player..
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