Evolution?

[Phenomanul]

Now I must take my leave...

[Blake]

According to the graph you posted, this assertation^ is also incorrect.

the graph on it's own doesn't really make the assertation correct or incorrect.

I've already deduced from the evidence that roughly one 3rd of the civilized world flat out denies evolution. Another 10-15% are unsure of this supposed 'fact.'

So roughly half of the civilized world does not consider evolution a fact.

Find me one Western country whose population shows such a strong disbelief for any other mainstream, scientifically acceptable and peer reviewed fact.

half of the civilized world does not consider evolution fact? What is your source other than your ass cheeks?

what other mainstream, scientifically acceptable and peer reviewed fact shoots down the 7 day theory that western countries like us love to believe in?

Secondly, many countries have a similar (and still considerable) amount of the population unsure compared with America.

name some of these many countries.

[Blake]

The fact that you shield your inability to think for yourself in the masses is not something you should be gloating about.

I'm no scientist, but I read the research that has been done by real scientists and think for myself based on their conclusions.

I speak out of my own volition. It's true... and I'm proud of it.

You shoot down the scientific community at large yet you have not provided any of your own research. This makes you look like an idiot.

It's true... and you shouldn't be gloating or be proud of it.

Speaking out of my arse however, as you and others constantly accuse me of, would suggest I was lying... I'm not... the last time someone accused me of 'speaking out of my arse' all he had to do was google to verify that what I was stating was true.

You called me 'godless' and that I have atheist buddies. This is a lie. I don't need to google to verify that you are a liar in this case.

I'm simply explaining my viewpoint the way it makes sense to me. That you or others can't handle that... that is your problem. That you can't handle the fact that I'm well versed in the technical nuances of most of our advanced fields... that is your insecurity. That you can't accept my objections... that is just plain stubborness [each to his viewpoint].... but ultimately you're en led to believe whatever you want. (now hurry, twist those phrases around on me... you know you want to).

What you don't understand is that evidence and data don't come with a tag stating what the possible inferences and conclusions from that data are. Our presupposed viewpoints cause us to interpret it differently. You seek for ways in which new data can throw GOD out the door. I simply see that it reflects His truths... In this case you're willing to compromise your understanding of chemical degradation and entropy so that you can look the other way when someone questions whether or not the notion that these creatures lived millions of years ago is a valid one. The same goes for the formation of stalac es and stalagmites in suburban basements (a mouse classic) as a 'slap in the face' to the notion that millions of years are required to form the structures...

So... we have proof that things can fossilize within 30-50 years... and we have evidence that fossilized bones purported to be over 70 million years old still have proteins and soft tissues inside... could it be that those bones are not as old as asserted. Unmistakably, the specimen this bone was taken from was a Tyrannosaurus rex (one of the most recognizable in the world)... there's no debate there. So something has to give.

I place my bets on the nature of entropic forces.

4th time, what is your theory on how we got here and how have you validated that theory.

I place my bets on me asking a 5th time.

[z0sa]

the graph on it's own doesn't really make the assertation correct or incorrect.

The graph and this thread both show I'm not alone on this issue.

Someone is reading too fast.

half of the civilized world does not consider evolution fact? What is your source other than your ass cheeks?

The graph you just posted. Perhaps I'd be more accurate to say, roughly half of the people of the countries polled don't consider evolution a fact.

name some of these many countries.

Japan
Greece
Estonia
Romania
Cyprus
Latvia
Lithuania
Bulgaria
Turkey

[DMX7]

It's worthless to debate people who don't believe in evolution. That's because they aren't swayed by facts or rational, which is why they don't believe in evolution in the first place.

[z0sa]

That's because they aren't swayed by facts or rational,

A hundred creationist scientists say o

[Blake]

Wishful thinking z0sa...

All Blake can do is go look in his talkorigins bible to see if they've developed counterpoint to the critique of these atheistically driven scientific claims... since the 70 million year old T-rex (among other such finds) or the dead artic forest aren't yet included in his index he has nothing to say... Other than stating the "theories of decay are changing" of course.... (he's probably out googling his comeback)

Debate with Blake is like talking to an ant... he can't comprehend my objections. All he can do is bite or sting me (curse me out, and call me names) because he doesn't understand me. Does that come across as pretentious? At this point I don't care.

I understand your objections.

what I want to know is if you are so sure macro evolution hasn't occured, then what theory do you have that is better and how you have validated that theory.

Talking with you and z0sa is like talking to idiots. It's not really as pretentious as it is the truth.

[DMX7]

A hundred creationist scientists say o

Oxymoron

[z0sa]

Talking with you and z0sa is like talking to idiots. It's not really as pretentious as it is the truth.

You can't even understand your own graph.

[z0sa]

Oxymoron

The founder of the KACR is an award winning scientist and industrialist, in case you missed that part.

[Blake]

The graph and this thread both show I'm not alone on this issue.

Someone is reading too fast.

The graph you just posted. Perhaps I'd be more accurate to say, roughly half of the people of the countries polled don't consider evolution a fact.

You wouldn't be accurate. The graph shows only 6 out of the 34 countries with the "evolution is true" blue line being at 50% or less: Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Cyprus, the US, and Turkey.

Someone is reading too fast.

Japan
Greece
Estonia
Romania
Cyprus
Latvia
Lithuania
Bulgaria
Turkey

Japan's poll shows that at almost 75% being sure evolution is true. Someone is reading too fast again.

Greece is low, but still over 50%. The US is at 40%.

Still, 9 out of 34 is only considered to be "many" only by you.

[Blake]

A hundred creationist scientists say o

name the hundred.

[Blake]

You can't even understand your own graph.

You can't even understand a simple graph and what the word "many" means.

[boutons_deux]

"creationist scientists"

a big fat motivated-reasoning oxymoron says o

[Blake]

The founder of the KACR is an award winning scientist and industrialist, in case you missed that part.

I missed that part. Who is the founder and what awards has he won?

[DMX7]

The founder of the KACR is an award winning scientist and industrialist, in case you missed that part.

So are the thousands of scientists who aren't using this debate as an excuse to push an ideology on unsuspecting fools.

The science behind creationism is laughable. They struggle to find one or two examples of irreducible complexity and other non-sense only to have these theories blown to shreds.

lol, KACR.

[z0sa]

You wouldn't be accurate. The graph shows only 6 out of the 34 countries with the "evolution is true" blue line being at 50% or less: Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Cyprus, the US, and Turkey.

Someone is reading too fast.

It just helps to affirm that assertation that most of us except you understand to be true.

Most of us except me is an untrue assertation according to the graph you posted. Many, yes many, m-a-n-y people think evolution is false or are unsure (therefore, do not think it is a fact).

Stop reading so fast or you'll keep arguing strawmen.

Japan's poll shows that at almost 75% being sure evolution is true. Someone is reading too fast again.

What does this have to do with their amount of 'unsure' population being comparable to the USA's?

Greece is low, but still over 50%. The US is at 40%.

What does this have to do with their amount of 'unsure' population being comparable to the USA's?

Still, 9 out of 34 is only considered to be "many" only by you.

Hundreds of millions of people is not considered "many" only by you.

[z0sa]

So are the thousands of scientists who aren't using this debate as an excuse to push an ideology on unsuspecting fools.

The science behind creationism is laughable. They struggle to find one or two examples of irreducible complexity and other non-sense only to have these theories blown to shreds.

lol, KACR.

That's all you got? Ad hominem ignorant bull is all I can see.

Michael Behe struggled so hard to find good examples of irreducible complexity that he wrote a whole book about them.

[DMX7]

That's all you got? Ad hominem ignorant bull is all I can see.

Michael Behe struggled so hard to find good examples of irreducible complexity that he wrote a whole book about it.

A whole book? Damn, that makes him almost as qualified as Sarah Palin to be President.

[z0sa]

I missed that part. Who is the founder and what awards has he won?

You don't need help do you? I heard you're good at google.

[z0sa]

A whole book? Damn, that makes him almost as qualified as Sarah Palin to be President.

His various credentials and degrees, his background, as well as developing and researching the actual hypothesis extensively beforehand is what makes him qualified to write about it.

You're definitely qualified to be an ignorant human being.

[Blake]

Most of us except me is an untrue assertation according to the graph you posted. Many, yes many, m-a-n-y people think evolution is false or are unsure (therefore, do not think it is a fact).

Stop reading so fast or you'll keep arguing strawmen.

most of us is a true assertation based on most of us in this thread calling you an idiot. stop reading so fast or you'll miss everyone else calling you an idiot.

What does this have to do with their amount of 'unsure' population being comparable to the USA's?

50% are sure it's true. that leaves the other 50% for the unsure and the ones that believe it's false, so that's my question: why are you trying to compare it to the US's 40%?

What does this have to do with their amount of 'unsure' population being comparable to the USA's?

I don't know. You were the one trying to compare Japan with the US. You tell me.

Hundreds of millions of people is not considered "many" only by you.

On a planet with 6.7 billion people? even rounded up to 1 billion, that's only 15% of the total population.

Do you consider 15% to be "many"? Obviously you do.

[Blake]

That's all you got? Ad hominem ignorant bull is all I can see.

Michael Behe struggled so hard to find good examples of irreducible complexity that he wrote a whole book about them.

Michael Behe also admitted in a court of law that intelligen design is not a science.

[DMX7]

His various credentials and degrees, his background, as well as developing and researching the actual hypothesis extensively beforehand is what makes him qualified to write about it.

qualified to make money off of fools like you.

[Blake]

You don't need help do you? I heard you're good at google.

I am. Apparently the KACR is so obscure that even google barely recognizes it.

Of course, you making yet another claim to something that you fail to source is of no surprise to anyone.