Me calling you stupid or lazy is not disrespectful. If I see a blue duck and I say that the duck is blue, is that disrespectful to the duck?
I always wondered if there is such a great amount of honor for serving and if people do it for honorable reasons then why do the majority of enlisted men and women come from poor backgrounds?
While I definitely believe some people join up out of a sense of honor or patriotism I'm not sure you can say that about most who enlist.
I can understand the OP's reasoning although when I joined the service it was because it was something I wanted to do. I had already been accepted to several colleges but wanted to the experience and I don't regret it at all.
Yeah, there are some who think they are owed something for serving but I have found that to seldom be the case.
Is it a job? Yeah, but it is also an adventure. Too stupid or lazy is not how I would describe the majority of the military. But that is just me.
But to say you are not thankful for living and breathing and enjoying the very freedom that they provide? I prefer you just thank them and be on your way. Either way I don't give a ......sorry, got carried away.
I beg to differ. I find that perhaps it is the poor who more greatly appreciate the freedom and opportunities that this Country provides and where those who are not from the poorer neighborhoods don't quite grasp or at least see honor and love for their Country in a different way. The poor may not have all the possessions and all but they will be amongst the first to protect what they do have. I am not a smart man but that is how I see it.
That is a terrible argument, because it asssumes that service members being dumb or lazy is fact. Do you have any actual evidence to prove that military members are in fact dumber or lazier than the general populace?
There's plenty of people that are anti-military but at the end of the day they're the ones putting their lives on the line so trolls like the OP can spout whatever bull they want.
In that case you're a dumbass, attention-whoring troll.No disrespect just calling the dumbass troll a dumbass troll.
I was against the war in Iraq from the start but you must have a short memory. Ever heard of 9/11 and Al-Qaeda... yeah, we're still fighting them because of stupid Bush diverting our resources to Iraq.
"some" does not equate majority. There are undoubtedly righteous people out there who's purpose is misdirected by those in charge.
Most people I know who serve don't see it as a political thing and would serve their country regardless of who the Commander in Chief is.
Thats a lot of vague generalizations and assumptions but yea I wouldn't expect you to slob on my knob if I served. If that was the case everyone would be.
I somewhat agree with the tone about Iraq but Afghanistan...not so much.
CALLING SOMETHING WHAT IT IS IS NOT DISRESPECTFUL.
That is a terrible argument, because it asssumes that service members being dumb or lazy is fact. Do you have any actual evidence to prove that military members are in fact dumber or lazier than the general populace?
FOR EXAMPLE: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146447
THIS IS YOUR AVERAGE AMERICAN MILITARY RECRUIT. IF YOU NEED REAL, DO ENTED STATISTICS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TIL I GET HOME AND HAVE SOME TIME, BUT WHY DON'T YOU REMOVE THE BLINDERS AND SEE YOUR MILITARY FOR WHAT IT IS?
So are you saying that you can't be poor AND patriotic? I am not saying all the people from prro backgrounds are but it seems like you are saying they can't be both.
Besides, why does it even matter if they are poor or rich or middle class? You aren't doing it so why do you care? Somebody has to do it and as long as the branches of military are accepting people will continue to enlist.
You people are so caught up in who does/ doesn't enlist but would never do it yourself. If some guy goes in with the sole intention of collecting a paycheck then so be it. I would rather my money go to some guy that is willing to put his life on the line or push a mop or peel f'n potatoes than some guy on the corner with his hand out.
I'm talking about Iraq. People come back and act like killing Iraqis with no association with Al Qaeda is heroic.
Your point is? Since you are obviously more intelligent then the recruits going in then why don't you enlist so you can change things?
BECAUSE I SEE MY MILITARY EVERYDAY AND IT'S NOT FULL OF A BUNCH OF LAZY IDIOTS.
And yes, I think I'll wait for something less subjective than one Spurstalk poster who inquired about the possibility of joining the Air Force. Thanks.
I have friends that have done tours in Iraq and not one of them has come back feeling "heroic". For the most part they have trouble sleeping for quite some time and afterwards they don't talk about it much.
I'd say risking your life in order to rebuild another nation from an oppressive leader like Saddam is worthy of respect. However Bush and Cheney have a lot of explaining to do for the horse they said.
Its pretty damn respectable to join now since we're actively engaged in war(s) and enlisted personnel have been serving more than their share of tours already. Those joining realize such and that takes a lot of balls
:ROLLEYES This is what I'm talking about. Acting like anything that they do has any bearing on what we do over hereIt's ridiculous and you all buy into it!
No. I don't see how you could even infer that. Are you saying the poor are more patriotic? Are you saying that people are rich have no honor? Explain to to me why the wealthy don't enlist as much?
Are you afraid of people wanting to understand why people enlist? If it doesn't matter why people enlist then why are you so defensive?Besides, why does it even matter if they are poor or rich or middle class? You aren't doing it so why do you care? Somebody has to do it and as long as the branches of military are accepting people will continue to enlist.
Who's advocating that choice other than you? Why are you so defensive and afraid of people asking the question of why people enlist? Don't you think recruiters do that every day in order to better meet their recruiting goals?You people are so caught up in who does/ doesn't enlist but would never do it yourself. If some guy goes in with the sole intention of collecting a paycheck then so be it. I would rather my money go to some guy that is willing to put his life on the line or push a mop or peel f'n potatoes than some guy on the corner with his hand out.
So you think poor and working class have more honor than the rich?
All of the military people I know feel this exact same way.
And you are one of the idiots that negatively skews the national iq. The thread is not about enlisting, it is about the undeserved praise and admiration being doled out because of what being in the military ONCE meant.
Also, if the main reason people join up is honor then why are recruitment bonuses used? Why not just some honorary recognition?
Exactly
OK, I will follow through, not because I want to prove you wrong, but because I want you to see the light.
Question: the majority of service men/women you know are enlisted men? or officers? Big Difference (stupidity/laziness-wise).
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