Evolution?

[DMX7]

Michael Behe also admitted in a court of law that intelligen design is not a science.

He doesn't watch PBS. It's part of the conspiracy.

[z0sa]

most of us is a true assertation based on most of us in this thread calling you an idiot. stop reading so fast or you'll miss everyone else calling you an idiot.

You changed your story.

50% are sure it's true. that leaves the other 50% for the unsure and the ones that believe it's false, so that's my question: why are you trying to compare it to the US's 40%?

To prove your logic is wrong, of course. Which I did.

I don't know. You were the one trying to compare Japan with the US. You tell me.

I've gone over your head I see.

On a planet with 6.7 billion people? even rounded up to 1 billion, that's only 15% of the total population.

We've only been discussing civilized, 1st world and predominantly Western countries, Blake. You could stay focused better if you read less quickly.

Do you consider 15% to be "many"? Obviously you do.

Quote me where I said 15% of the planet thinks evolution is false.

While you're at it, show me some hard basis information from which you deduced the 15% of the planet's population number from. Hint: it's not the graph posted in this thread.

[z0sa]

I am. Apparently the KACR is so obscure that even google barely recognizes it.

Of course, you making yet another claim to something that you fail to source is of no surprise to anyone.

KACR shows up on the first page if you simply put "KACR" into Google.

you're really that stupid?

You actually have no excuse since I've given you, specifically, this info before.

[Blake]

qualified to make money off of fools like you.

I'm hoping somewhere z0sa makes reference to Kent Hovind as well.

[Blake]

KACR shows up on the first page if you simply put "KACR" into Google.

you're really that stupid?

ah, you're right. I missed it because it looked like this:


한국창조과학회 - [ Translate this page ]공룡들의 발자국에는 : 이들은 노아의 홍수와 같은 격변적 사건을... 수많은 공룡발자국들이 전 세계적으로 퇴적암들에서 발견되어져왔다. ...
www.kacr.or.kr/ - Cached - Similar

hey, you're good at google too. too bad you don't use it or you would be able to clearly state who the founder is and what awards he has won and why it's important.

[z0sa]

ah, you're right. I missed it because it looked like this:


한국창조과학회 - [ Translate this page ]공룡들의 발자국에는 : 이들은 노아의 홍수와 같은 격변적 사건을... 수많은 공룡발자국들이 전 세계적으로 퇴적암들에서 발견되어져왔다. ...
www.kacr.or.kr/ - Cached - Similar.

Apparently you think Korean sites should be in English.

What a dumbass

[z0sa]

You can't even understand a simple graph and what the word "many" means.

You don't consider hundreds of millions of people to fit the definition of 'many'. Some more LOL material.

[Phenomanul]

I'm no scientist, but I read the research that has been done by real scientists and think for myself based on their conclusions.

You shoot down the scientific community at large yet you have not provided any of your own research. This makes you look like an idiot.

It's true... and you shouldn't be gloating or be proud of it.

I not only read the research. I scrutinize the methods involved, the variables, the context, and the data to see whether or not their conclusions can be drawn from their data pool.

Most research is black and white and does not remotely affect the "GOD-question".... The scientific process is terrific when it comes to those matters, the peer review process works effectively and objectively. Emprical equations... theories and new discoveries then follow.

When it comes to the formulation of conclusions that affect the "GOD-question" however, you'd be suprised to know how often the 'scientific community at large' throws out inconvenient observations. How often they jump to conclusions. How often they speak of truth for matters that cannot be ascertained. How often they rely on presuppositions to then formulate their own. Then they suppress dissent by suggesting that the scientific process, which works wonderfully for matters belonging in the former group (or a grand majority of published reports) is mostly flawless. They feel indignant that one would question that process.

It's like a bank syndicate suggesting that because their bankers were honest for 95 out of 100 transactions that they should be considered 'honest'. For that to hold, they would have to sustain the same level of integrity for all 100 transactions.

You go ahead and 'bank' on that syndicate... I'll continue to hold them accountable for those 5 transactions that they were less than honest about.

You called me 'godless' and that I have atheist buddies. This is a lie. I don't need to google to verify that you are a liar in this case.

Heres what I said:

But hey... we'll wait to see what creative scheme your athiest buddies can come up with to keep that wool's cloth over your eyes... I'm sure you'll accept anything.

It's a figurative allusion to the fact that the athiest writers on that site will convince you of their explanations, no matter what they choose to say.

But leave it to you to cling to that phrase as the only shred of evidence to call me a 'liar'... despite the semantical distinction.

...the "Godless Goggles" phrase just rolled off the tongue...

4th time, what is your theory on how we got here and how have you validated that theory.

I place my bets on me asking a 5th time.

You can continue to repeat it as many times as you like. One who points out that a pitcher of water is leaking doesn't have to provide you with an alternate pitcher... You just have to recognize that your own pitcher is leaking. It will do you no good to cling it and demand that I give you one of my own - that won't change the fact that your container is faulty. I would demand a pitcher 'recall' from the 'scientific community at large'...

[z0sa]

"creationist scientists"

a big fat motivated-reasoning oxymoron says o

Yeah, the idea of disproving the existence of god and anything that correlates with a deity never crosses any atheist scientists' minds. Never.

It's a two way street, butt-ins.

[DMX7]

Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District

Here. Educate yourself on the great work of Michael Behe and how well his testimony stood up to conservative (Geroge W. Bush appointed) Judge John E. Jones III.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dove..._decision.html

Still not a science, sorry.

[z0sa]

Michael Behe also admitted in a court of law that intelligen design is not a science.

Behe doesn't think evolution is science, either.

[z0sa]

Irreducible complexity is science.

[DMX7]

Irreducible complexity is science.

It's also wrong.

Official Court Ruling: Professor Behe has applied the concept of irreducible complexity to only a few select systems: (1) the bacterial flagellum; (2) the blood-clotting cascade; and (3) the immune system. Contrary to Professor Behe' s assertions with respect to these few biochemical systems among the myriad existing in nature, however, Dr. Miller presented evidence, based upon peer-reviewed studies, that they are not in fact irreducibly complex.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dove...ion2.html#p121

[z0sa]

When it comes to the formulation of conclusions that affect the "GOD-question" however, you'd be suprised to know how often the 'scientific community at large' throws out inconvenient observations. How often they jump to conclusions. How often they speak of truth for matters that cannot be ascertained. How often they rely on presuppositions to then formulate their own. Then they suppress dissent by suggesting that the scientific process, which works wonderfully for matters belonging in the former group (or a grand majority of published reports) is mostly flawless. They feel indignant that one would question that process.

Very well put. It's like global warming in ways - so much of the supposed 'science' is very flawed and inaccurate (read: unusable) because of unproven presuppositions and outright fallacies when collecting the data itself. However, unlike global warming, scientists simply keep assuming evolution is correct because a part of the evidence coincides with it.

The theory is constantly changing to accomodate the facts - only the facts and evidence never conclusively proves the theory and many times, outright contradict it until they are 'reassessed' or thrown out altogether.

[z0sa]

It's also wrong.

Official Court Ruling: Professor Behe has applied the concept of irreducible complexity to only a few select systems: (1) the bacterial flagellum; (2) the blood-clotting cascade; and (3) the immune system. Contrary to Professor Behe' s assertions with respect to these few biochemical systems among the myriad existing in nature, however, Dr. Miller presented evidence, based upon peer-reviewed studies, that they are not in fact irreducibly complex.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dove...ion2.html#p121

I thought you never debated with creationists, hypocrite.

[DMX7]

I thought you never debated with creationists, hypocrite.

I guess creationists only see what they want to see.

It's worthless to debate people who don't believe in evolution. That's because they aren't swayed by facts or rational, which is why they don't believe in evolution in the first place.

Point Proven.

[z0sa]

I guess creationists only see what they want to see.

Ditto for evolutionists.

Point Proven.

You really thought I'd change my opinion because some dumbass joins the thread at the 20th page, posts some insults, posts a few talkorigins links I've read 1000 times out of personal curiosity and research (about the famous "creationism on trial", no less), while assuming I fit some stereotype?

Point Proven. It's your worthless time that's being used up.

[DMX7]

Ditto for evolutionists.

What do I need to see? More flagellums?

You really thought I'd change my opinion

No, I really didn't. That's why I said it.

[z0sa]

No, I really didn't. That's why I said it.

Yet you still sit here arguing with me and posting old talkorigins links like I've never seen em before.

[greyforest]

evolution is fact, scientists are just terrible at explaining it

[DarkReign]

Come to think of it... It's rather presumptuous to suggest that belief in evolution is what determines whether a nation is progressive or not. Who made that belief the ultimate criteria?

In that very post, I made it clear I wasnt trying to make that connection. I specifically said correlation did not mean causation.

I only find it amusing and tangentially related.

[Phenomanul]

In that very post, I made it clear I wasnt trying to make that connection. I specifically said correlation did not mean causation.

I only find it amusing and tangentially related.

Fair enough.

What have you to add in reference to the Godless dictatorships that afflicted our world over the last century? Is there no relation there?

Just curious to see what you think on those matters...

[Blake]

You changed your story.

what was my original story?

To prove your logic is wrong, of course. Which I did.

What exactly was my logic that you disproved?

I've gone over your head I see.

you went over your own head

We've only been discussing civilized, 1st world and predominantly Western countries, Blake. You could stay focused better if you read less quickly.

list exactly which countries you are referring to and give an exact number from each of these countries that do not believe in evolution.

Quote me where I said 15% of the planet thinks evolution is false.

stop reading so quickly.

While you're at it, show me some hard basis information from which you deduced the 15% of the planet's population number from. Hint: it's not the graph posted in this thread.

Hint: I didn't get 15% from that the graph posted in this thread. The "hundreds of millions" I quoted you on did not include any reference to the graph on your part.

Posting vague generalizations and changing the subject is nothing new for you. I don't think you even know what you are trying to argue.

[Blake]

His various credentials and degrees, his background, as well as developing and researching the actual hypothesis extensively beforehand is what makes him qualified to write about it.

You're definitely qualified to be an ignorant human being.

You don't believe in evolution and you believe in Behe. You're definitely qualified for the position of ignorant human being.

[Blake]

Apparently you think Korean sites should be in English.

What a dumbass

obviously KARC doesnt find itself important enough to put in English and you don't find the founder and his awards important enough to post here yourself.

What a ing dumbass