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RJ n Tony don't seem to click, just saying.
Why don't we start the bench and use the current starters to come off the bench to give us a spark?
If Pop had stayed with any starting five for more than one game at a time this year we would have 'gelled' and had more cohesion.
RJ n Tony don't seem to click, just saying.
I really don't know what to think at this point. I keep waiting for something to happen. I'm waiting for RJ to be the player we all expected of him, for Bogans to at least hit some open shots and play better D, or Manu return to the Manu of old but to no avail.
As for this lineup the only thing that I liked was for RJ to go to the bench. I agree with Timvp about maybe this helping him regain his old form against lesser players. I stated as such in earlier threads but when you sink so muchin a player you have to play him in order to get something out of it.
Bogans and Bonner are gambles that are going to fail. Two role players as starters? I don't think so.
At this point this team has little if any chance of getting pass the 2nd round much less of winning a le.
I would not go so far to say Pop knows best or that he has gone completely crazy. I am somewhere in between the poll choices and that is why I did not vote.
I think Pop is trying something new, which beats doing nothing and hoping for different results.
If anything, Pop sticking completely with the status quo would lead me to characterize him as insane.
Given how the team has been struggling, I don't see how even any unconventional lineup can hurt anything. Who knows- this could be the answer.
I think the line up change was primarily for Jefferson and Parker.
For Jefferson, it was to take the starter role pressure off and also to pair him more with Manu.
For Tony, Jefferson to the bench removes an offensive option he doesn't have to worry about sharing the ball with. Now, he can concentrate on being the number one option on offense and work the PnR with Tim. Everybody else in the starting lineup is basically just filler.
I didn't get to watch the game, but this lineup sounds a little crazy to me. Granted, Bonner only played 13 minutes, which is alright, I guess, but Dice and Blair combined for just 17, which I frankly don't understand (unless it had something to do with a trade about to happen).
At this point, I'd rather see Bonner at the 3 spot than Bogans. This lineup is so undersized it's painful to even think about.
RJ coming off the bench might be something that inspires him in some way to finally show up, but the problem is there ain't another legit SF that could start instead of him.
So is Jefferson now officially the second-string PF, backing up Matt Bonner?!
Welp, guess there's no formula altering trade.
This starting lineup makes my brain hurt
If I were selecting the lineups, my depth chart would be as follows:
Starters:
Parker
Mason
Jefferson
Duncan
Mahinmi (why the not?)
Bench:
Ginobili
Hill
Blair
McDyess
Hairston
Bonner
Bogans/Ratliff depending on matchups
So by that measure, we're basically trotting out our 11th and 12th/13th men as 2/5ths of our starting lineup. Awesome!
This team this season has been a waste of time. And before Tpark comes in with his dumb shtick, just know that Tim is probably thinking the same thing. Another wasted year of Timmy's late prime. Tim wants to win. This team will not win.
Not that I mind but I speak for Pop here: Where is Finley?
Responding to the thread le... I really try not to think about it too much...
but in all seriousness, he logged 0 min last night IIRC
I think Pop is actually trying to go back to what worked in the past.
he sees Bonner as the 3pt shooting big- aka Horry
he sees Bogans as Bowen's replacement-
They must of had a spaffle in the Hotel room.
but in all seriousness, he logged 0 min last night IIRC
If that's true then he's truly gone senile. Unlike Bonner, Horry shot better when the game/season was on the line. He also brought smart defense, timely shotblocking/playmaking, and intangibles to the table. Bogans is a poor man's poor man's Bowen.
The problem with this is that Bonner can't rebound, defend, or block shots like Horry. Bogans can't defend or hit 3s like Bruce
Pop is a idiot.
I'd go that way because I think if we have a chance it is by playing what we traded for: Jeff and Dice
Starters:
Parker
Hill / Mason
Jefferson
Duncan
Dice
then I'd give the most minutes to
gino
Hill / Mason / Hairston
Ian
Blair
then
spot minutes to
Bonner / Bogans/Ratliff / finley
I have to take issue with someone referring to Bogans and Bonner as "role players". Bonner shoots well from outside, so he can fill a role. The only thing Bogans fills outside of any clothes Bruce Bowen left in his locker is a spot on the roster.
I can live with this line-up, even if it's not just one of those situational line-ups Pop does occasionally.
timvp's Pros were along my line of thought, and I think even though it doesn't look like a bright idea it might help because TP doesn't need the pressure of sharing the ball and RJ doesn't need the pressure of shining when the spotlight is on him. If RJ can beat the other team's scrubs for 20 minutes a game...let the 15million sit on the bench until it's time to play him and we know he'll perform like we need him to. Not quite what we had in mind, but that's what we have now.
I've only voted and not read the whole thread but . . .
Jefferson off the bench is something I've floated before. But NOT for Bogans. Bogans is a fringe NBA player who shouldn't be in the regular rotation. The big 3 straight up aren't good enough anymore to carry fringe scrubs like Bogans on their backs. Start Hairston or Mason or whoever, but Bogans isn't better.
Bonner starting . . . whirlwind of depressing failure.
To think at the end of last season people were confident that the Spurs couldn't win with Bonner starting as a big man and a fringe guy starting at SF, be it Finley or Udoka. Because they had proved it.
Flash forward to the all-star break and Bonner is starting and so is a fringe SF, the slightly quicker, weaker Udoka.
Pop has proven himself inflexible. He hit on a formula for success and has not wavered, even while the pieces have disappeared. His lack of adaptation, especially in bringing players of different psychologies around, has been a major limitation.
Listen to coach Brown interview after the game. "Pop thought Bonner is a good option starting because he did a goood job last season and Bogans will play some kind of Bruce role. RJ will give more firepower for the bench with Blair and Manu"
http://www.nba.com/spurs/gameday/100217.html
This lineup is here to stay...
who voted for "i agree with pop"? ericB?
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