48MoH: Repercussions: When Good GMs Do Nothing

[Mel_13]

I'm not saying it will happen, but I would put it at a small enough percentage that I wouldn't faint when I heard the news.

Besides . . . .

This summer, they're already at the full cap without Manu or the MLE (Splitter). That's filling the roster with TD, TP, RJ, Dice, Hill, Blair, and picking up Hairston's minimum.

7 players, 5 more active roster spots to fill +1 inactive, and doing anything like re-signing Manu or the MLE gets them closer to the tax. , they could be over the tax just by re-signing Manu if the cap drops enough.

Everything you've posted makes perfect sense.

Bottom line is the Spurs made an all-in bet to try to extend the championship window for two more seasons. They bet on RJ and Dice improving the team significantly, at least enough that an acquisition like Camby at the deadline would make them truly legit. So far it looks like that all-in bet is a loser. By definition, when you lose an all-in bet, you've lost the game.

I only see two possible courses of action this summer.

1. Core remains the same. Additions are draft picks, Splitter, Hairston, and an LLE signing.

2. Trade Tony for younger pieces and a TE and make the additions listed above. Position yourself for a major addition at the 2011 trade deadline or after the new CBA is signed.

In both cases, you hold your draft picks unless a true sure thing is available.

[mountainballer]

it really looks as if the Spurs gave up on this season.
question is, did they already decide to be Jazz for the next decade, not really good, not really bad, or do they see a chance in trade RJ next summer, by taking back an expensive contract. (Iguodala? Maggette?, Al Jefferson?, Okafor? along that line)
but so or so and whatever happens with Manu, Spurs will be a pretty thin team next year.

btw. you want a worst case: Spurs package Splitter's rights with Dice to get rid of his contract. Houston will listen.

[EricB]

That "evidence" doesn't matter. Who gives a about phone logs?

At the end of the day, "the question is did you get anything done to improve the talent level of the roster?" o! The answer is no. That's all that matters.

For once, stop apologizing for the FO.

So other teams turn down your trades.

So that means your a bad GM?


Quit being such a contrarion must go against everything whiney .


I'm sick of this attack me BS because all I do is present a common ing sense point.


Again, how does teams turning down your trades, and the only trade you've turned down is a rediculous one mean you've failed.

You and others have YET to answer that question its just continued "Well look at what happend nothing"

NO , so because they get trades turned down thats their fault?

that.

[itzsoweezee]

LOL @ Larry Brown ting all over Popovich:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010021930

[cdcast]

LOL @ Larry Brown ting all over Popovich:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010021930

...and Salmons scored 18 tonight in Bucks win.

[rascal]

Everything you've posted makes perfect sense.

Bottom line is the Spurs made an all-in bet to try to extend the championship window for two more seasons. They bet on RJ and Dice improving the team significantly, at least enough that an acquisition like Camby at the deadline would make them truly legit. So far it looks like that all-in bet is a loser. By definition, when you lose an all-in bet, you've lost the game.

I only see two possible courses of action this summer.

1. Core remains the same. Additions are draft picks, Splitter, Hairston, and an LLE signing.

2. Trade Tony for younger pieces and a TE and make the additions listed above. Position yourself for a major addition at the 2011 trade deadline or after the new CBA is signed.

In both cases, you hold your draft picks unless a true sure thing is available.

They will take the conservative route and that is option 1.

[TJastal]

So maybe the le should be "When bad GMs try to do something, but don't get anything done anyway."

:rofl

[rascal]

Spurs will be returning to their conservative ways after last summmers moves that have backfired. Don't look for any major upgrades in overall talent with Duncan, Parker and Manu being the core that will ride Duncans last years out.

We have already seen the start of this with this trade deadline.

[UnWantedTheory]

I think I might be the only one that is semi positive for next year. I dont believe the Spurs will break the bank again, but I do believe they will try their hardest to put a contending product on the floor. Again, I dont believe they will go all out like this year...I think they will hope for the team to gel more next year, possibly re-sign Gino and add another semi-legit piece. We will be thin, but we cant go into the season with 7 players. SOOOO...they obviously are not going to fill the remaining 5 or so with a bunch of Wally Z's. They stand to lose too much by doing so. They will be cost effective, but to the maximum of possibility. IMO. If we can address are weak areas and fill our roster, I think we can do some good depending on health. We are going over the Tax for certain next year, and they know it. They might try to gunsling again(I hope so), but I doubt it.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Holt is going to clean house this summer. He'll give AJ a four-year deal. No idea who the GM will be.

[TJastal]

LOL @ Larry Brown ting all over Popovich:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2010021930

In one exchange in the CHA vs CHI game, BOTH Thomas and Theo blocked Shaq at the rim.

Now that's some rim protection.

And to think the spurs could have had both these guys with some deft maneuvering by the F.O.

[all_heart]

Bonner?!! I don't want to see him a Spurs uniform next year.

What about trading TP for a quality big man under 30. Sign an older vet to back up GH, resign Manu, develop Hairston and draft the best 2 guard you can. And pray that RJ finds his game next year and Splitter comes over. Is this reasonable?

[fusionjazzman72]

Bonner?!! I don't want to see him a Spurs uniform next year.

What about trading TP for a quality big man under 30. Sign an older vet to back up GH, resign Manu, develop Hairston and draft the best 2 guard you can. And pray that RJ finds his game next year and Splitter comes over. Is this reasonable?

Very reasonable, but look at what the FO is doing now. Also, Pops coaching. It reminds me when we had Brad Lohaus and when they resigned Greg Anderson back in the mid to late 90's

[naf srups]

Manu's gone this summer...Book it! That line for his recent interview where he states that he has accomplished everything he wanted to in SA resonates stronger than ever. I think as much as he desired to retire a spur, the compe or in him wants a new challenge. Not too mention, when children come into the picture your priorities change and I can see him going wherever the big contract is at. IMHO, I see him starting for NY, running D'Antoni's squad next year.

[TJastal]

Manu's gone this summer...Book it! That line for his recent interview where he states that he has accomplished everything he wanted to in SA resonates stronger than ever. I think as much as he desired to retire a spur, the compe or in him wants a new challenge. Not too mention, when children come into the picture your priorities change and I can see him going wherever the big contract is at. IMHO, I see him starting for NY, running D'Antoni's squad next year.

+1

No doubt.

Standing pat and throwing the towel in has cost the spurs this season and most likely any chance of Manu returning.

Well, at least the great Splitter might come to SA, given that the spurs will have all this $$$ freed up and nobody to spend it on but him.

Oh, and Pop's newest bride, Michael Bogans.

[Johnny RIngo]

+1

No doubt.

Standing pat and throwing the towel in has cost the spurs this season and most likely any chance of Manu returning.

Well, at least the great Splitter might come to SA, given that the spurs will have all this $$$ freed up and nobody to spend it on but him.

Oh, and Pop's newest bride, Michael Bogans.

I don't think Splitter's even coming. And even if he does he's going to disappoint a lot of Spurs fans.

[TJastal]

I don't think Splitter's even coming. And even if he does he's going to disappoint a lot of Spurs fans.

If that were to happen, this is what we're looking at next year if the spurs go the cheap route.

Starters
C Bonner (will sign a 3-year 10m deal)
PF Duncan
SF Bogans (will sign for vet min)
SG Hill
PG Parker (if he's not exhausted and hurt from playing all summer, ya right)

Depth
Blair, Finley (will resign at vet minimum), rest D league scrubs - James Gist, Alonzo Gee, etc.

Somehow I don't get a great feeling heading into next year... Holt is going to lose ALOT of ticket sales with this squad, nobody is going to pay to see the circle of jerk of Boner, Bogans, and Finley again.

[TJastal]

forgot McDyess in the depth dept... not like it would make much difference.

[SenorSpur]

So other teams turn down your trades.

So that means your a bad GM?


Quit being such a contrarion must go against everything whiney .


I'm sick of this attack me BS because all I do is present a common ing sense point.


Again, how does teams turning down your trades, and the only trade you've turned down is a rediculous one mean you've failed.

You and others have YET to answer that question its just continued "Well look at what happend nothing"

NO , so because they get trades turned down thats their fault?

that.

Son, once again you've completely missed the boat - which doesn't surprise me. I'm not going to waste time trying to debate my point to you.

Since when were you nominated the "beacon of common sense"? The next time you make a common sense point will be your first. If and when you do make a point, no one will notice because your negativity supercedes your opinion.

If there is a contrarion on this board - it's your ass. The reason you often find yourself in the middle of these cyber-conflicts is because you do nothing but spew your own brand of non-sensical, sarcastic bull . Usually, if there is rift between posters, you can bet that you're at the center of it.

If you do nothing but hurl it someone's direction, you shouldn't act surprised when it's hurled back at you. If you're feeling as though folks are ganging up on you, perhaps you should consider your approach. Stop trying so hard to be such a miserable asshole to anyone and everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Disagreements occur here all the time without the posters being habitually disagreeable and disrespectful to one another.

You went through the trouble of changing your name, perhaps it's time you tried changing your at ude. A little self-awareness can go a long way. That's just a little free advice for you. Do with it whatever you wish.

[E-RockWill]

What a re ed le.

I would love to see the evidence they did "nothing"

Do they have the phone logs of the GM's office that they made none or recieved none?

Enter the asshole.

[jason1301]

Following this roster analysis, next year’s team could look like this: Parker, Hill, Ginobili, Hairston, Jefferson, Blair, Bonner, McDyess, Splitter, and Duncan with two minimum salaried players needed to fill out the roster.

That's actually a pretty good roster, assuming that

1. TP stays healthy over the summer
2. Thiago's game translates to the NBA... see Scola.
3. Blair plays better D.
4. G Hill continues to improve.
5. RJ and Dice know the system.


not sure about #1, but I think the rest are very likely to happen. With that in mind, we will be contenders.

Also got to love our first round draft pick!!!

[Chomag]

Son, once again you've completely missed the boat - which doesn't surprise me. I'm not going to waste time trying to debate my point to you.

Since when were you nominated the "beacon of common sense"? The next time you make a common sense point will be your first. If and when you do make a point, no one will notice because your negativity supercedes your opinion.

If there is a contrarion on this board - it's your ass. The reason you often find yourself in the middle of these cyber-conflicts is because you do nothing but spew your own brand of non-sensical, sarcastic bull . Usually, if there is rift between posters, you can bet that you're at the center of it.

If you do nothing but hurl it some-one's direction, you shouldn't act surprised when it's hurled back at you. If you're feeling as though folks are ganging up on you, perhaps you should consider your approach. Stop trying so hard to be such a miserable asshole to anyone and everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Disagreements occur here all the time without the posters being habitually disagreeable and disrespectful to one another.

You went through the trouble of changing your name, perhaps it's time you tried changing your at ude. A little self-awareness can go a long way. That's just a little free advice for you. Do with it whatever you wish.

So true,

You can disagree with someone without being disrespectful to them. This should have been learned in the 3rd grade.

Now I do admit I used to just say " shut up stupid head" when I disagreed with someone, however I was 6 years old at the time.