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Interesting idea. But I think TP goes AI on us if that happened.
Just a thought: Parker's a scorer, a damn good one at that too (when healthy), not a play maker. This is something pop hasn't tried yet.
Starting 5:
George Hill
Manu Ginobili
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Antonio Mcdyess
That's a pretty good offensive AND defensive lineup. With this squad there's more options offensively. Bring in Tony off the bench and let him go nuts. The pick and roll with Blair would be pretty sexy also.
Thoughts on this ?
Interesting idea. But I think TP goes AI on us if that happened.
Benching TP makes a whole of a lot more sense than starting Bonner and Bogans.
rest Parker. trade him for a big and a draft pick.
Parker just needs more rest. Get Parker healthy and he will be fine.
This season there won't be a le anyways. Rest Parker
Develop the young players. Get Bonner and Bogans out of the rotation altogether. You can't win in this league with a starting 5 that plays outside the paint and chucks up 3 point shots.
Picture this as a second unit:
Parker
Mason/Bogans/Finley (depending on the situation)
Blair
Bonner
Mahimni
Parker can drive in (blair & mahimni) can help clear the lane, or he can dish out to Mason or Bonner for a 3. Again Blair & Mahimni can help with boards incase of a miss.
This is crazy
youre motherfkers ,you forget tony had made with spurs you are pathetic you dont deserve tony.Trade him yes
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why is this crazy ? Parker was good as a starter when the 2 scoring options were him and Timmy. Bruce & Finley just hit the open 3s and the Center was there for defensive purposes, so Tonys main purpose was to score, not to create. Manu new this, so that's why he decided to come of the bench, so he could help the 2nd unit and create for them.This is crazy
WITH THIS TEAM:
The best players are offensively more potent, meaning they can score easier. So why not have the best play maker (Ginobili) out in the floor with them?
Having tony in the second unit would be similar to the type of system he's been used in the past.
Manu and TP have completely reversed roles over these years.
Manu was our slasher/scorer from the bench, now his effectiveness is limited there.
TP ran the offense at a much simpler time when you were going to be ok if you could get it to Timmy. And he always had the option to take the drive or kick.
This year we need flow to take advantage of mismatches and create opportunity for guys who cant create for themselves. Manu does that.
Parker can be that second unit scorer/punch in the face/points producing wild man that manu used to be. Manu can be the motor for an offense full of guys who need help. The only guy we have outside of parker that can create for himself is Hill. The first unit needs Manu.
And as Manu goes, so should Blair go.
On second unit, let Bonner continue to take threes from TP's kick outs, and let Dice run some pick and roll with parker.
Last thing, Parker needs rest badly, I think Pop should let Manu run with the first string, along with Blair, to see what it looks like.
It beats what we are doing.
I just dont see when we have RJ and Dice floundering out there, why anyone who cant produce in TP's offense (really Pop's) should need to go to the bench (as RJ just did). TP doesnt need anyone or anything to make him effective. He is a one man gang.
When healthy that is.
That was it??
ok tony is having one bad season .... and what ? (sorry for my english)
Since the Spurs are desperate at this point, I'm open to any idea. If Duncan coming off the bench helped the Spurs, I'd be all for it.
That said, starting Manu and building the offense around him doesn't make too much sense when his biggest weakness right now is endurance. As it stands even with him coming off the bench, Manu's effectiveness dramatically falls off after about 25 minutes played. In the first half of games, Manu has been pretty damn good. In the third and fourth, his effectiveness has consistently plummeted.
I haven't seen a quality argument to bring TP off the bench. If he's injured, don't play him. Bringing him off the bench because he's slowed won't help.
A best case scenario would be to somehow limit the stress on TP while he's injured and limit Manu to about 25 total minutes. However, doing those two things and still winning sounds impossible.
I'm not saying Tony's playing bad (although he is) haha. It's about making the Team better, manu did it in the past and it worked.
I lost tons when that previous board was closed. I dont have time to repeat that post attempt, I've got a huge exam starting tuesday.
I just think RJ and Dice both need help, manu does that, Blair in the starting lineup helps us avoid small ball, and if TP is at full strength, who cares who he plays with on the second team? Let him pull a jordan in game 7. I like what Manu brings, and I think it would reduce pressure on TD as well. I think it is a win win, that will produce wins.
What do we have to lose? What do we stand to lose with having back to back disasterous seasons?
Then again Im not one of the resident experts. Ill check back when you guys have finished proving me wrong. Your up.
hill had a good game,but how many good games had tony ? you are make me laugh
This team is not going well !
It's time to start the best players.
Tony + Manu + RJ + Dice + Timmy
Why are the Spurs always trying to be more clever than everyone else in the league.
Sometimes the most simple is simply the best : start your best 5 !
You know what ? THIS is an interesting idea finally.
Why not start the best 5 ?
We are not going to be the defensive killer spurs anyway. Stop trying to replace Bowen with weird experiments , Hill, Bogans,...
We are all going crazy! It's very warrented though because the Ship is sinking so fast. lol
I think you could make this arg about the whole team. There is a reason we lose leads in the third and fourth. But that has more to with D in my opinon. Yet our offense stagnates as well.
I agree, if hes not full speed this wont work at all.
At some point we are going to be faced with the same hard choices we faced last season when TD's foot/knee was limiting him. We played him then. I thin we Give Manu the reigns when TP can handle the bulk of the scoring of the bench.
The biggest reason I buy this idea, after we failed to pull off a trade, its obvious that if we are going to get more potent on offense, something that will feed everyone's confidence and get us playing at a high level, we must get more production from RJ and Dice. They are our only hope in my mind, of a le. I think Manu gives them the best shot at producing high numbers, while a healthy TP can produce no matter who is on the court.
Sir, I am suing you for plagiarism.
Rest TP, sit him out.
If it risks missing the playoffs, so what? TP in the playoffs how he's been this season will be a disaster. Shame that no one else can step up like RJ to help carry the load but there it is.
I don't expect any rest to happen though, even a sweep loss in the first round brings some important cash to the Spurs.
Pop will grind him into the ground so much to get to the playoffs that he won't be able to help the FNT in the tourny.
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