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I would not attend a single UFL game. I cant stand half assed leagues...........its the NFL or forget it.
I would not attend a single UFL game. I cant stand half assed leagues...........its the NFL or forget it.
It was for the first season. The uniforms were designed before the teams were branded, and the uniforms were meant to reinforce the league's brand over the individual teams. Starting this year, teams can design their own uniforms, and the theory is that all teams will have new uniforms, and the premiere seasons will be used as throwbacks in the future.
That's your choice, but football is football and it's unlikely the NFL will ever be in San Antonio in your lifetime.
What makes you say that fyatuk? I believe the NFL will be in San Antonio within five years. Once a CBA is finally worked out to the satisfaction of both sides I'm fairly certain the city will get a team. Why? Because San Antonio as it now exists is more than capable of supporting an NFL club by any set of standards and will only grow more increasingly capable.
I totally agree. San Antonio football fans are as deserving of NFL football as any other set of fans that are now enjoying having their very own team to support. And no, the Cowboys or Texans do not qualify as being "our" team.
NFL will never come to SA. For one there is no market for it. Two, SA is too poor. We would never support a failing team for a minimum three years.
The same old false stereotype/perception aka weak ass hyperbole bs.Two, SA is too poor.
The Bizjournal did a study recently that showed SA had the economics to support an NFL team.
Dude, the Rampage get enough support to stay in business, the Silver Stars who sucked for most of their time here sans the last three seasons have support.We would never support a failing team for a minimum three years.
If you honestly think SA wouldn't support an NFL team whether they're struggling or winning, you're off your damn rocker.
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Has nothing to do with our capability of supporting a team. I agree that we could support an NFL team tremendously well, but that's irrelevant.
The NFL is finacially driven by it's TV contract. Team placement, at least for expansion (and they'll influence any relocators to fit in it as well), will be heavily determined by "where adds value to our broadcast deals."
San Antonio is the 37th largest TV market, and already gives the NFL higher ratings than many home markets. There is ZERO benefit to the TV contract to put a team in San Antonio. The NFL would be better served putting a team in Monterrey or the RGV than in San Antonio because that would draw more interest from Mexico.
With as heavily revenue shared as the NFL is, it's not so much about where the fan support is, but where they can get new money (TV viewers, merchandise sales, etc) into the shared pool. And SA doesn't bring new money, it'll just change the direction of money that already exists in the NFL pockets.
If the NFL comes to SA in my lifetime it is because 1) They started falling apart financially and needed a stable market more than expanding revenue, or 2) a league like the UFL started making a dent in their fanbase and they needed to either squash or merge with it.
Kinda like UTSA and the Southland conference huh?
What makes you think there is no market for the NFL? Where do get this info from and from what year, 1980? The media market in san Antonio is bigger than the following NFL cities per Nielsen http://www.tvjobs.com/cgi-bin/markets/market2.cgi:NFL will never come to SA. For one there is no market for it. Two, SA is too poor. We would never support a failing team for a minimum three years.
New Orleans
Buffalo
Jacksonville
Green Bay
If you think about it, Oakland and San Fransisco divides their market between 2 teams, so you could divide than down somewhat, which makes their ranking with the NFL a bit askewed.
This league seems to be different than other new leagues of the past. The biggest thing IMHO is that they aren't trying to compete directly with the NFL, which may have hurt other upstart leagues in the past.
We have already supported a team that failed for 3 years, from 1985-1989, the Spurs pretty much failed and are still here.
Our record of not support sports franchises are pretty high.
The same old false stereotype/perception aka weak ass hyperbole bs.
The Bizjournal did a study recently that showed SA had the economics to support an NFL team.
Dude, the Rampage get enough support to stay in business, the Silver Stars who sucked for most of their time here sans the last three seasons have support.
If you honestly think SA wouldn't support an NFL team whether they're struggling or winning, you're off your damn rocker.
I don't know what the minimum amount for a ticket in the NFL, but let's say it is $80 that is too much lettuce for the avg SA. There is no way you are getting 100,000 SA/Austin ppl for 7 games a year. Even if you can do that, there is still no way any businessman would do it.
If we did get a businessman who's location was worse than SA's economy then why not LA. Why would they pick SA?
I would love to see NFL in SA, but it will not happen. NFL is not expanding anymore and no one will relocate here. Our best bet were locals being loyal to their city but McCombs sold the Vikings and Benson will be dead before they will be able to move the Saints.
We have America's team north. Then to the East is Texans. South of us is Mexico which there is absolutely no market for American football. The west has nothing with value and probably would stay cowboys territory. Then you have one of the lowest cost of living in america -SA.
The Spurs have been the most successful franchise and they still have to keep ticket prices low. Spurs ticket prices are one of the lowest in the league.
What do you mean? According to the UTSA assholes they will be in the Big 12.
Of the back your handle preculdes me to believe you're a very biased fellow when it comes to this subject.
It's about 75 dollars per game. The average NBA game is 45 dollars a game. Considering there are 41 home games in the NBA and only 8 in the NFL, you'd have to be mental to believe an NFL game ticket was too much. Kid, if Jacksonville, Green Bay, Indianapolis, Buffalo, Charlotte, St. Louis, etc can get people to pay for NFL tickets, SA can.I don't know what the minimum amount for a ticket in the NFL, but let's say it is $80 that is too much lettuce for the avg SA.
100,000? 7 games? Where the are you getting these numbers from?There is no way you are getting 100,000 SA/Austin ppl for 7 games a year.
The NFL has 8 home games, the average attendance is 68,000 and the highest average in attendance went to the Cowboys at 89,700. So I have to ask you again, where the are you pulling these numbers from?
I'd love for you to articulate this statement, please.Even if you can do that, there is still no way any businessman would do it.
What? Seriously kid, are you 12?If we did get a businessman who's location was worse than SA's economy then why not LA. Why would they pick SA?
How original.I would love to see NFL in SA, but it will not happen. NFL is not expanding anymore and no one will relocate here.
When Benson dies the team goes to his daughter. His daughter lives where? San Antonio. She was the one pushing for the Saints to relocate here in 2005 not so much her father.Our best bet were locals being loyal to their city but McCombs sold the Vikings and Benson will be dead before they will be able to move the Saints.
You're so lame for stilling calling them America's team. Seriously, do you suck on a Jerry Jones branded dildo at night as well?
The Cavs with Lebron James average $50 a ticket.The Spurs have been the most successful franchise and they still have to keep ticket prices low. Spurs ticket prices are one of the lowest in the league.
The Mavs with Cuban's billions and "America's team" average $59 dollars a ticket.
Heck, the Chicago Bulls in the third largest metro in the US average $66 dollars.
Would you like to know what the Spurs average per ticket? $68 dollars.
So I guess the lesson is you shouldn't be on a message board talking about stuff you don't know and I don't know stay awake during your school classes. Knowledge is power you know.
I wish Austin would get a professional team (other than baseball).
100,000 people at a game? What current NFL stadium even has that capacity, besides teams currently they play 8 games a year at home. You don't lnow ticket prices yet just throw a number out there. I do agree the NFL probably won't expand anymore, but teams can move and will move in the future, you can't rule out San Antonio getting a relocated team in the future. Actually San Antonio's economy is better off than most in the country. LA had there chancees to have a team(s) but lost it to Houston, they have had 2 teams and lost both of them. So, the Saints and vikings are the only ones who may move in the future, speculation has been made of the Jaguars, and I think the Seahawks mentioned it at one time, and who knows what teams may do in the future.
You are going to use the other leagues that never made it to base past support on? The USFL died the same year the Gunslingers died, and lack of support was league wide, along with not so bright ownership and a league office.
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CFL=It was supported pretty well here but we would have been the only US team left so it was dropped due to logistics.
Yall need to get up to date on UTSA football.
They will NOT be part of the Southland Conference. Theyve basically said you to the Southland Conference, their first two years will be independent because theyre set on jumping from FCS to FBS in 2013. Will they be UT or A&M? Of course not but theyre also not going to be Trinity. This will be a Division 1 program in a lower-tier major conference (CUSA is the one being talked about the most). I'd much rather support this than some minor league pro football team.
At this rate, the Spurs will be an ufl team in a couple of year.
You leave out an important aspect of having an NFL club in San Antonio. The butts in seats aspect. While true having a team in SA would simply shift around money that already exists as far as revenue. Having a full stadium and selling out games would be important too.
Take Jacksonville for instance. Here is a situation so sorry and is so pathetic that the league would love to have that franchise relocated. They don't sellout their games they don't bring in droves of television revenue, so why is there a team there? With a team in SA, and with a new stadium, the seats would be full, the skyboxes would be sold and everybody would be happy including the league.
And most importantly of all an owner would make money. And that's the real reason why the league will allow a team to play here.
UFL>>>UTSA football
Nobody in San Antonio outside of a few of the students give a about UTSA football. The average San Antonio resident is a Longhorn fan and will continue to be one even after UTSA jumps to FBS.
witty. I am a fan so I honestly believe that. For good reason though. One, they have the highest merchandise sales. Also I would love for you to choose another team who has a larger geographical area as a fan base. Phoenix Az has more Cowboys fns than the Cards.
The lesson for you is to not think your wit transfers through the keyboard dip . Yeah the spurs avg $68. They also keep a large chunk of their 16K stadium under $30. They have been le contenders for over ten years and still can't capitalize like other teams.
The Cavs with Lebron James average $50 a ticket.
The Mavs with Cuban's billions and "America's team" average $59 dollars a ticket.
Heck, the Chicago Bulls in the third largest metro in the US average $66 dollars.
Would you like to know what the Spurs average per ticket? $68 dollars.
So I guess the lesson is you shouldn't be on a message board talking about stuff you don't know and I don't know stay awake during your school classes. Knowledge is power you know.
That's why I said if they needed stability more than expanding revenue. If it's going to happen it'll happen in the next couple years because of the slipping of revenues caused by the recession.
And "butts in the seat" does not really make money. Ticket money is a drop in the bucket and is part of the shared revenue. The biggest enticement would be club seats and luxury suites, and for that we'd need a brand new stadium (since even the previously proposed $200 million dollar expansion to the dome would make it one of the worst in the league there).
As long as a team is struggling, the NFL couldn't block a move here, thanks to Al Davis forcing relocation rule changes in court, I'm just saying there's very little in the way of motivation for an owner to move here. Moving to LA, or Toronto, or Mexico, or even London would provide a boost to shared revenue, and except for Mexico all have greater potential for both normal ticket buyers, as well as club and suite sales.
The league will definitely encourage someone to move to places like that over SA.
And considering the TV contracts pay for just about all the Salary Cap on a team (and merchandise splits should take care of the rest), you can put a team anywhere and still turn a profit with a good stadium lease. Jaguars problem with profitability is they let the city change their lease several times taking revenue away from the Jags. Team never should have been there anyway, that was a scramble placement by the NFL (Jacksonville had been eliminated, but several markets dropped out leaving the NFL one short).
You're wrong there. I am not a student at UTSA, never have been, never will be. , I've never been a student at anything over community college in Texas (went to a university in New Mexico). I care just as much about UTSA getting a team as I do the UFL.
UFL>>>UTSA football
Nobody in San Antonio outside of a few of the students give a about UTSA football. The average San Antonio resident is a Longhorn fan and will continue to be one even after UTSA jumps to FBS.
UTSA getting a team, and moving to FBS, is a GOOD thing for this city. It definitely raises the status of not just the school, but our city, to have a college football team competing on the highest level (even if they'll be a lesser team there). It's good for drawing attention to our city. That said, I won't buy season tickets or merchandise, but I'll probably try to make a game a year.
Both UTSA and the UFL will fill dates and bring in much needed revenue to the dome's coffers. UTSA in particular will bring in a lot of outside money, since college fans travel notoriously well, and they should be playing a lot of regional teams that won't mind the drive down here.
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Other football teams from other leagues have not worked in SA for a variety of reasons but first and foremost..its not the NFL. That sounds naive and and simplistic but its also accurate. There is a curiosity factor at first and the fact that it is football brings a few but people want NFL football period. If the team is successful that will help but unless its NFL football, ultimately its doomed. Hey, I hope I am wrong....I would love to see this UFL entry do well and I hope they do so. I will most likely follow it on line and may even buy a t-shirt but I don't expect it to be around very long. Oh and don't underestimate the "butts in the seats" factor. Ticket sales are a drop in the bucket overall but pictures of empty seats will have a big effect on whether people want to spend time and money.
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