San Antonio lands UFL team

[Smileguy90210]

Jerryworld fits 100K

Other football teams from other leagues have not worked in SA for a variety of reasons but first and foremost..its not the NFL. That sounds naive and and simplistic but its also accurate. There is a curiosity factor at first and the fact that it is football brings a few but people want NFL football period. If the team is successful that will help but unless its NFL football, ultimately its doomed. Hey, I hope I am wrong....I would love to see this UFL entry do well and I hope they do so. I will most likely follow it on line and may even buy a t-shirt but I don't expect it to be around very long. Oh and don't underestimate the "butts in the seats" factor. Ticket sales are a drop in the bucket overall but pictures of empty seats will have a big effect on whether people want to spend time and money.

[Buddy Holly]

witty. I am a fan so I honestly believe that. For good reason though. One, they have the highest merchandise sales. Also I would love for you to choose another team who has a larger geographical area as a fan base. Phoenix Az has more Cowboys fns than the Cards.

Let me preference this by saying you have so far shown a bad track record for you "out of thin air" facts. But if you say Phoenix has more Cowboy fans than Cardinals fans I guess it's true.

However,

Holy crap Batman, a metro that has grown rapidly because of the mirgation of transplant after transplant the last 20 years doesn't have tremendous local loyalty to its pro sports teams? No....

However,

I still think what you said up there is completely and utterly wrong.

The lesson for you is to not think your wit transfers through the keyboard dip . Yeah the spurs avg $68. They also keep a large chunk of their 16K stadium under $30. They have been le contenders for over ten years and still can't capitalize like other teams.

No, the lesson for you is to proof read what your post because in almost every post so far in this thread you'd gotten something of factual substance completely wrong.

The at&t center holds a little over 18,700. Where the did you get 16,000 from? Ohmi inggod kid. It's really just pointless arguing with you. Do not, do not drop out of middle school. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

P.S.

Did you even compare SA's arena ticket prices with other teams? Or do you think offering low prices is unique to the Spurs? , Cuban wanted to offer the entire upper bowl at 5 dollars a piece.

P.P.S

The average ticket prices I posted that you read because you quoted should be all you need in order to figure out all you need to know.

[Buddy Holly]

Jerryworld fits 100K

It can open up to fit that many but on game to game basic they average just under 90,000 a game.

[FkLA]

UFL>>>UTSA football

Nobody in San Antonio outside of a few of the students give a about UTSA football. The average San Antonio resident is a Longhorn fan and will continue to be one even after UTSA jumps to FBS.

You ever considered the fact that alot of people, including myself, have adopted the Longhorns because we dont have a team to call our own? Same with alot of us being Cowboy fans? Give us an NFL or Division I football team though, and this city will embrace them.

In 2013 UTSA football will be an FBS program in a lower-tier major conference, the UFL will always be minor league. UTSA football has way more potential, you have to have something against the University itself to not realize that.

[spursncowboys]

It can open up to fit that many but on game to game basic they average just under 90,000 a game.

semantics.

[spursncowboys]

Let me preference this by saying you have so far shown a bad track record for you "out of thin air" facts. But if you say Phoenix has more Cowboy fans than Cardinals fans I guess it's true.

However,

Holy crap Batman, a metro that has grown rapidly because of the mirgation of transplant after transplant the last 20 years doesn't have tremendous local loyalty to its pro sports teams? No....

However,

I still think what you said up there is completely and utterly wrong.



No, the lesson for you is to proof read what your post because in almost every post so far in this thread you'd gotten something of factual substance completely wrong.

The at&t center holds a little over 18,700. Where the did you get 16,000 from? Ohmi inggod kid. It's really just pointless arguing with you. Do not, do not drop out of middle school. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

P.S.

Did you even compare SA's arena ticket prices with other teams? Or do you think offering low prices is unique to the Spurs? , Cuban wanted to offer the entire upper bowl at 5 dollars a piece.

P.P.S

The average ticket prices I posted that you read because you quoted should be all you need in order to figure out all you need to know.

You are pathetic. Why not make points on why the NFL will bring a team to SA. Give an exact team. Show their current city's economic situation as to why they would leave that city. Then show why out of all the cities, they would choose SA. I'm not going to sit and argue with you. You are a moron. . Save your nonsense for your online chat rooms and facebook.

[j-6]

I've read fyatuk's posts regarding this league, watched a couple of games online, and checked out the fansite and the official website. Aside from the godawful uni's, there's not much to hate on with the UFL. Sure, attendance sucked and it wasn't NFL quality play, broadcasting, or media coverage. What do you expect?

If there is some support for this and SA ''adopts'' the Roadrunner program, there's a chance that the NFL takes a look there. More realistically, having the UFL succeed and to have a team with great local support will lure an owner easier than pointing at a stadium and population projections and thinking you're en led to an NFL franchise.

In a state that fills college stadiums for HS playoff games, finding 30,000 people out of a metro a little less than two million to take some ownership and attend games shouldn't be that difficult. If you can't do that, why would the NFL even bother? "We only want top level football'' is more of a copout than a statement.

[samikeyp]

It can open up to fit that many but on game to game basic they average just under 90,000 a game.

True but she asked about capacity not average.

[Buddy Holly]

semantics.

In what sense? In that there is a venue that can hold 100,000 or in that you were ass backwards in stating the SA team would need to average 100,000 fans in a stadium?

[Dr. Gonzo]

You ever considered the fact that alot of people, including myself, have adopted the Longhorns because we dont have a team to call our own? Same with alot of us being Cowboy fans? Give us an NFL or Division I football team though, and this city will embrace them.

In 2013 UTSA football will be an FBS program in a lower-tier major conference, the UFL will always be minor league. UTSA football has way more potential, you have to have something against the University itself to not realize that.

I guess you haven't lived in this city long enough to know that this city won't give two s about UTSA football. They will not be in the FBS anytime soon and they will certainly not be in any mid-tier conference. You are ing delusional if you think that's happening.

I bet you think UTSA is going to be a tier one school as well.

[Buddy Holly]

You are pathetic.

Making you look stupid makes me look pathetic?

Why not make points on why the NFL will bring a team to SA.

Give an exact team. Show their current city's economic situation as to why they would leave that city.

The Jaguars.

SA has a bigger population base, a faster growing city and metro, a more diverse economy, a bigger GDP, etc.

The Saints.

Same as the Jaguars.

The Bills.

Same as the Jaguars and Saints expect Buffalo has Toronto across from it so they have a bigger population base.

The Vikings.

Need a new stadium and its looking unlikely that one will be built.

Then show why out of all the cities, they would choose SA.

Outside of LA, SA would be the top choice. If I have to explain, why, well...

I'm not going to sit and argue with you.

Is that what you call it? All you've done is prove your still in middle school with your baseless and grossly incorrect statements. Get a life kid.

You are a moron. .

That's like a 50 year old Atlantic City hooker with no teeth calling someone ugly. It just isn't possible.

Save your nonsense for your online chat rooms and facebook.

What?

[Buddy Holly]

True but she asked about capacity not average.

You're right, I was still making the point to our sad friend spursncowboys.

[IronMexican]

I think we'll all be well dead before SA gets a team.

[IronMexican]

And can I get a link to the N'Sync thread? I never really got to see it, just heard.

[samikeyp]

You're right, I was still making the point to our sad friend spursncowboys.

Ahh....carry on then.

[FkLA]

I guess you haven't lived in this city long enough to know that this city won't give two s about UTSA football. They will not be in the FBS anytime soon and they will certainly not be in any mid-tier conference. You are ing delusional if you think that's happening.

I bet you think UTSA is going to be a tier one school as well.

Allright here's my reasoning...the Athletic Director and Coker have come out and said theyre going FBS in 2013. They already have a stadium in the Dome thats big enough to meet FBS standards, which is the biggest hurdle most teams attempting to go FBS face. Theyre also going independent the first two years instead of joining the Southland Conference, which hasnt sat well with Southland Conference top guys and UTSA runs the risk of being kicked out of the conference altogether, that isnt something a new program with small time aspirations would do. As for support Ive seen the city embrace the Saints after Katrina hit, Ive seen the city embrace the Cowboys during training camp, Ive seen the city follow the Cowboys along with the Longhorns/Aggies as if they were their own. Its practically starving for a football team, support shouldnt be a problem.

Whats your reasoning for your assumptions, cause your basically just spewing out without basis.

[cherylsteele]

If someone is expecting San Antonio to put 100,000 people in a stadium every Sunday, then I am not sure what to say. I would think 60-70,000 would be doable number.

The big issue is the venue, Alamodome was a good venue for NFL when it opened, but it needs upgrades in luxury boses and such to be a viable NFL stadium, and an upgrade is goimg to cost 150 mil+ from what I have heard, could be wrong about the number though. Not sure if the public would go for a tax adjusment to pay for it.

[fyatuk]

If someone is expecting San Antonio to put 100,000 people in a stadium every Sunday, then I am not sure what to say. I would think 60-70,000 would be doable number.

The big issue is the venue, Alamodome was a good venue for NFL when it opened, but it needs upgrades in luxury boses and such to be a viable NFL stadium, and an upgrade is goimg to cost 150 mil+ from what I have heard, could be wrong about the number though. Not sure if the public would go for a tax adjusment to pay for it.

When the Alamodome opened it would have been a decent, but not spectacular NFL stadium.

When they did the study when the Saints were here, it was $200 million to make the dome 75K seats, while doubling club seats and luxury suites. That'd still leave the dome as mediocre by NFL standards

[bresilhac]

When the Alamodome opened it would have been a decent, but not spectacular NFL stadium.

When they did the study when the Saints were here, it was $200 million to make the dome 75K seats, while doubling club seats and luxury suites. That'd still leave the dome as mediocre by NFL standards

With a $200+ million refitting why would the Dome still be considered mediocre? Is there something inherently inferior about the place? One would think that pouring that much money into the Dome would effectively alleviate any inferiorities that the building may have currently.

[spursncowboys]

If they got a guaranteed team coming, I would hope they would just bulldoze the AD and rebuild a basic open stadium seating.

[fyatuk]

With a $200+ million refitting why would the Dome still be considered mediocre? Is there something inherently inferior about the place? One would think that pouring that much money into the Dome would effectively alleviate any inferiorities that the building may have currently.

The amount of club seats and luxury suites would still be medoicre by current NFL standards. Unless you get club seats to over 10k and luxury suites over 150 (both impossible to expand the dome to, or at least not even close to cost effective), it won't be considered anything but mediocre by NFL standards. Pretty much any team with less than that is ing for new stadiums, or renovations to increase those numbers.

SA needs a NEW stadium for the NFL. Luckily, we don't need a roof (retracable or otherwise), so we could probably get away with a $500-600 million dollar stadium. That's still beyond the cities current capabilities to invest, though.

[spursncowboys]

The Jaguars.

SA has a bigger population base, a faster growing city and metro, a more diverse economy, a bigger GDP, etc.

the Jags have a benefit, geographically. Everything around them is open as far as market shares. That isn't the same for SA. Also Jax was an expansion. I don't think there will ever be an expansion w/ the NFL again. Definitely not in the next 20 years. Also why would someone go from one small market to another small market?

The Saints.

I agree twith this. This could have happened. Benson with the benefits he could have gotten from the sa politicians would have guaranteed that it went to sa. However with the sb win and katrina that option is gone.

The Bills.

If this moves away, it is because they had to sell the team, probably to cover the inheritence tax. When they sell it, it will probably go to a group of investors. That will almost guarantee LA or Toronto.

[fyatuk]

The Jaguars.

SA has a bigger population base, a faster growing city and metro, a more diverse economy, a bigger GDP, etc.

The owner is dedicated to Jacksonville. He'll probably sell it instead of moving, and more than likely, it won't be sold to anyone that would move it to SA (who's going to buy it and move it here with Red retired and Benson already owning the Saints).

The Saints.

Same as the Jaguars.

IF LA kills the $20 million subsidy, and raises the rent for the practice facility above $1, and doesn't show signs of economic recovery, and doesn't agree to a new stadium in a few years, than maybe.

It's much more likely after Benson either retires or dies and control of the team goes to Rita.

The Bills.

Same as the Jaguars and Saints expect Buffalo has Toronto across from it so they have a bigger population base.

The teams not moving until Wilson dies, and then it's being sold because none of his relatives want the team. At that point, you're stuck with "who's gonna buy it and move it to SA?" Much more likely to move to Toronto.

The Vikings.

Need a new stadium and its looking unlikely that one will be built.

Some officials up there suggested selling the team the Metrodome for $1 to convince them to stay

Owner seems willing to move them without selling, but I can't see the NFL approving a downward move from Minneapolis to San Antonio. Not without San Antonio guaranteeing a quickly built top of the line stadium, which we can't afford to do. Also, Wilf (or whatever his name it) is looking to control real estate development around the stadium. His goals seems like a good match for the Roski project in City of Industry, so I would expect the Vikes to go there with Roski getting part of the team, and the owner getting part of the development.

[spursncowboys]

You still make no reason why anyone who is having problems in a small market city, would move to another smaller market.

[Buddy Holly]

the Jags have a benefit, geographically. Everything around them is open as far as market shares. That isn't the same for SA.

You do understand that Jacksonville to Tampa is about the same as SA to Houston and Jacksonville to Atlanta is the same as San Antonio to Dallas.

Also Jax was an expansion. I don't think there will ever be an expansion w/ the NFL again.

How Jacksonville received a team has what to do with the question you posed?

Also the NFL will expand again in the future, the only way they never expand again is if the world does end in 2012.

Definitely not in the next 20 years.

So you think the NFL will NEVER expand again, just not in the next 20 years.

Also why would someone go from one small market to another small market?

Because SA's a bigger market with much more potential. But again, it's LA first then SA.

That will almost guarantee LA or Toronto.

Toronto? Seriously, you think the NFL will allow a team in Toronto and Buffalo? The only way Toronto is getting a team is if the Bills move to another city emptying that market of an NFL team or the Bills move to Toronto themselves.