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Those 2 should do, and add in a wing-defender and we'll be good to go.
You'd have to e the water cooler in Memphis's front office with LSD to get them to bite on that deal.
Those 2 should do, and add in a wing-defender and we'll be good to go.
Outstanding list and I agree with your most of your assessment with the asterisks.
Now of all the players with asterisks, which are on teams that would be willing to move them for Jefferson's expiring contract? I bolded the ones where I think it might be possible.
I wrote something like this somewhere else:
Is there any realistic chance RJ opts out? (waits for laughs)
If I was him I would seriously think about it. Would he rather have 14mil while being miserable and pressured to perform plusbeing a very hated man or opt out while agreeing to a 1 year (or more) deal half the price with no pressure and with the crowd on his side maybe earning another very decent* contract 2 years from now?
*considering what he would get if he keeps playing like he is.
If Jefferson decided to opt out it would have everything to do with his playing environment and nothing to do with money. If RJ hates playing here and playing for Pop, he could opt out just for the opportunity to leave.
And while I think it's remotely possible that Pop drives him to that, I just don't see him passing up $15M of guaranteed money. I'd put the possiblity at somewhere around 5%.
Props for the list - Really appreciate the work you put into it but a good portion of those players are unrealistic options.
If we do trade Jefferson it probably won't be for point guard so that rules out players like Calderon, Nash, Nelson, etc. You can also omit the untouchable players that are too valuable to their respective teams like Rondo, Gasol, Paul, etc.
Agreed. Jefferson will never see that kind of money again so it's very unlikely that he opts out. He would have to REALLY hate it here and I don't think that's the case(SA seem to be among the friendliest environments in the league).
I know, it's awfully improbable and I'm just looking for a good scenario, but what if he'd REALLY love it here? Has it happened before?
If the Spurs don't land Splitter in the off-season...
Biedrins and Maggette for RJ and Dice makes alot of sense.
I should further note, that is simply a list of players. It does nothing to address the Spurs side of the equation (ie. who would fit), nor does it address incentives needed. I think to move Jefferson's contract, incentives will be needed for almost all of these players.
From my perspective, assuming Splitter is coming and does pan out, I would not expect the FO to get a big. We can currently expect to have 4 decent bigs next year (and 3 the following 2 years) - Duncan, McDyess, Blair, Splitter.
Similarly with Parker and Hill, PG is a pretty full spot. However, it should be noted that moving Parker with Jefferson might be an option as an incentive; at that point, getting back a good PG would be important. Assuming not moving Parker, a PG received would have to be able to run 2 PG sets with Parker (ie. be able to cover SG's defensively; Parker isn't big enough to do this).
This leaves the wing spots, which is clearly the point of greatest weakness on the team. All of our current wings have significant flaws: Manu has injury issues, Hill is undersized, Jefferson has no balls/brains (he apparently has the physical ability and skills, just doesn't do it 90% of the time), Bogans, Mason, Finley (well, the less said the better about these 3), Hairston is mildly undersized and significantly inexperienced (and that lack of experience may be hiding other flaws, which will only come out with playing time).
This analysis short lists the following candidates:
Iguoalda
Deng
Maggette
Ellis
Gerald Wallace
Stephen Jackson
Richard Hamilton
Kevin Martin
Danny Granger
Turkoglu
Arenas
My own personal preferences would start with
Iguoalda
Deng
Danny Granger
Ellis
Pretty much in that order.
This is primarily driven by youth, and my estimation of fit in the Spurs scheme. I think Iguolda and Deng would be much the preferable options (Granger would be nice, but I doubt he is actually available... Bird is hanging on too hard to a team thats flawed at it's core.) Ellis is last because a) he a bit undersized b) seems a bit of a headcase and c) I'm not at all sure he'd fit well with Parker.
Right now we probably could not trade RJ for a washing machine.
We sure tried.
Agree that Splitter coming over significantly reduces the chances of Spurs going for a big w/ RJs expiring.
But, I don't think your preferences are realistic.
Iggy wasn't moved for expirings this year and I don't think he'll be moved for expirings next year...Spurs would have to give up young talent in addition (i.e. Blair or Hill). Bulls are already under the cap enough to snag a max-type player due to moving Salmons/Thomas...so getting rid of Deng makes little sense, since he could be a good complimentary piece. Granger = untouchable. Ellis is redundant with Parker/Hill in the fold.
Maggette can probably be had w/out giving up anything major. Same goes for Rip.
It'll be interesting to see where the Bobcats go with Jackson/Wallace. My guess is if they keep contending, they'll look to add pieces rather than subtract.
As for Turkoglu, that's probably the most intriguing prospect. If the Raps lose Bosh this off-season and start tanking next year, they could very well be looking to dump Turkoglu and his remaining years. Of Maggette, Rip and Turkoglu, I think I'd be most excited to bring back Hedo...he's possesses the outside shooting and all-around game that could work well in the Spurs' system.
Considering the Spurs can't trade him until the off-season, your statement is pretty accurate.
But in the off-season when his contract suddenly becomes an expiring one, I'm pretty sure the Spurs could get more than a washing machine for him.
Sounds like AFBlue is holding out for a dryer as well. I approve.
It's a hard line, but I think they'll cave.
Sounds like AFBlue is holding out for a dryer as well. I approve.
I don't think you are moving Jefferson's expiring for nearly any of those guys, without added incentives. Rather, I think the Spurs are looking at something like, on draft day,
Jefferson, Spurs 2011 pick, Spurs 2013 First Round Pick,
For
Iguolda, Willie Green (throw in to make the salaries work...)
The Toronto options are almost entirely dependent on what Bosh does. Maguette is more available, but I can't say that I think the fit would be great. We need a player who can be creative for others, as Tony is somewhat limited in that aspect. This plus his willing to both defend, and defer when appropriate, is what leads me to Iguolda as my 1st choice.
I should also mention, that were I the FO, I would pursue such a trade, even if the team manages to jell in miraculous fashion before the playoffs...
Iggy is my first choice as well, and I think some people are overvaluing him here..
Philly was trying to trade him for months and were close to moving him for that ty Cavs deal that Washington ended up making..he's a guy that should be a #3 option on a great team but Philly is paying him #2 money on a ty team for another 3-4 years..I would be surprised if they didn't look to move him for a big expiring like RJ and probably 1 pick..
He would be my #1 option if the Spurs were looking to make another run next year..he's a huge upgrade over Jefferson and he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA when he's trying..
In the case of Maggette or Rip, I think their teams would be satisfied with a straight salary dump and maybe an exchange of first round picks. You may be underestimating how badly these teams want to get rid of the remaining years on those contracts.
I'd say the same for SJAX, except right now they're in the playoff hunt and could end up looking pretty decent going into next year.
As for Iggy...you and I can just agree to disagree, but I don't see them dumping someone that talented for a mid-first round pick.
In general, it'll be interesting to see how quickly the Spurs look to make a move with RJs contract. Do they wait to see if Ginobili re-signs or if Splitter comes across the pond? Or do they do as you suggest and start in advance of the draft?
The Sixers believe he has value. They were trying to package him with an undesireable contract (Dalembert/Brand) in order to get some kind of value in return.
And in the end, they didn't trade him.
I don't disagree that he's being paid more money than he's probably worth, but I doubt the Sixers go to the extent of trading him for a mid-first round pick and salary relief...unless the team takes on another one of their bad contracts.
Hasn't Hedo had a tougher time fitting in up on Toronto? His size would be nice to have at the three (or four in small ball).....
agreed, to get iggy we would have to take on Brand or Dalembert as well.
The time to take on Dalembert has come and gone...he'll be expiring next year just like Jefferson, so there's no benefit to the Sixers losing him.
And Brand's contract is so big that the Spurs couldn't take on both his and Iggy's contracts without giving up Duncan or Parker...for those two, not gonna happen.
That's why I think the only way the Spurs get Iggy is to trade Parker and hopefully get a piece or two in addition (i.e. Young/Speights/Holiday/1st Rd pick). But, I also think that is highly unlikely.
Like I said initially, the main options for the Spurs regarding RJs expiring contracts are teams looking to shed uglier, longer term contracts...unless they want to give up Blair/Hill/1st rd pick(s).
1) That's 2 firsts for Iggy. Yeah, that's a pretty good price for Philly. The reason I am willing to pay that, is that I can see a decent team after Manu and Time retire. Tony, Iguolda, Filler SG or SF, Blair, Splitter. Hill as 6th man. That's a solid ish team for the future.
2) I wouldn't trade for Hamilton's contract unless Detroit gave us a first rounder... Maguette, maybe, but I am not at all confident he'd be a better fit than Jefferson, what with TP holding the ball. Sjax is a better option, if possible. I'm not sure Larry Brown would be willing to let go without at least a first included, and that would make me wary.
3) As to when the move would happen. If I'm the Spurs, ASAP. If I haven't moved Jefferson when I negotiate with Gino, I have a big question mark regarding is this a competing team, or is it a rebuilding team. Ginobili will be much more likely to sign a smaller (3 yrs 8$M, 7$M, 6$M partial guarantee) contract than if we are rebuilding. Same with negotiations with Splitter; get them done. IF we make a Jefferson move and get Splitter, we are competing. If not, we are rebuilding, and then it's time to get a S&T for Gino rather than watch him leave. You don't want that uncertainty in the negotiations.
Hopefully, next year the team looks like this:
Tim, Splitter, Iguoalda, ?Hairston?, Tony
Manu, Hill, Blair, Mcdyess, a draft pick wing, and some good, cheap roleplayers...
Last edited by pad300; 02-23-2010 at 08:21 PM.
Like you said, Philly wanted to attach Dalembert and especially Brand to the contract, it's the smart move..with that being said, there were a lot of rumors that they didn't want to pay Iguodala for so long, especially since the last few years of his deal are back loaded..there's no way any team in the NBA will take on Elton Brand's contract, so I really believe Philly would trade Iggy for a big expiring + a 1st round pick(maybe 2)..
None of those guys interest me at all, I'd rather let Jefferson expire than take on Hamilton or Maggette..I agree with PAD, there's absolutely no way either of those guys would fit here, it would be the same problem as Jefferson..
Trading Jefferson for a guy like Iguodala is the only available move IMO..if RJ isn't traded for somebody that will give us something next year, the Spurs are better off rebuilding..
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