I disagree with this statement.
Will the Spurs look foolish for not trading his rights when they had the chance? Probably.
But the Spurs will still be a in a position to use their MLE to improve the team, and they'd have a decent trade chip in RJs expiring contract to acquire a big man in return.
It's obvious that the Spurs prefer bringing Splitter over as their Plan A, but I don't think it's a Plan A-or-bust scenario.
Not worth arguing with Jtal. The guy knows nothing about basketball.
He can't tell the difference from a smart guy with a high IQ from an idiot with an IQ of a watermelon (Tyrus Thomas).
Thiago Splitter is one of the top 3 centers in Euroleague.
The news about Messina wanting him in Madrid is indicative, as Messina is a great coach and a defensive-minded one.
And you are damn right: the question is not whether the Spurs want Splitter, it whether Splitter wants the Spurs.
I didn't say it was great, but at $3-4M for a couple seasons he'd be a pretty good value for the rebounding and shot-blocking he'd bring.
Personally, if Splitter doesn't come over I'd like to see the Spurs flip RJ and Dice for Maggette and Biedrins. But, I'm not sure how likely that is either.
It's shaping up to be an interesting summer. If Manu bolts then they're definitely going to have to make a high impact trade if they pretend to have a compe ive team to close out Duncan's career.
Coming from you, that's pretty funny.
I think you need to rethink the cause and effect. They need to make a high impact trade (ie move Jefferson), or it's rebuilding time. If it's rebuilding time, Manu's going to leave, and the question becomes: Should we move TD and Parker?
If you're asking me to pick between Camby or Bonner, o Marcus!Coming from you, that's pretty funny.
But if I dreamed of a mobile experienced 25 year old center, and you offer me Camby instead, then it's more like meh...
I don't know that is entirely true. I think the FO believes a healthy Parker would have made a big diference. I don't disagree, but I don't know that's the be all, end all. If we manage to sign Splitter, resign Manu and somehow land a perimeter stopper (Bell maybe?), if TP is healthy we might give it a go. I don't think we'll be able to move RJ next summer. I think more plausible is next winter...
Ah, so you were only comparing Camby to those 2, gotcha...If you're asking me to pick between Camby or Bonner, o Marcus!
But if I dreamed of a mobile experienced 25 year old center, and you offer me Camby instead, then it's more like meh...
I think Manu will either want a) the money or b) more serious ring shots. But the Spurs are rather unlikely to offer him a), so they better be offering b) if they want him to stay. And when he looks at Jefferson, I don't think he's saying to himself, "Jeez that guys a real compe or; I can see him in an NBA finals".
Oh boy, another lame spurstalk poster chimes in with the basketball IQ > all argument. Haven't seen that one before.
Btw, it's Tiago, not Thiago. At least I have the IQ to spell the guy's name right.
Now that I think about it, how do the Spurs even have their mid-level exception available this summer? They used it last summer on McDyess and I thought you can't use it in back to back years?
Off the top of my head, the Spurs best chance at landing a starting quality big man in free agency is Camby. But he's old and injury prone; two things this team needs to avoid.
Jefferson, I doubt he's movable until the '11 trade deadline.
I think it is. This team needs what he can theoretically can provide and if they don't get it from him, then I don't see another realistic scenario whereby they could get it. The length, the ability to protect the rim (he's not great in this regard, but better than any Spurs rotation player not named Duncan in a while), the mobility, which in conjunction with the length gives him a chance to be a quality defender against the mobile, face-up four's who have killed the Spurs.
The MLE can be used every year by teams over the cap.
The LLE is only available in alternate years.
I figured that, but I remember hearing about a year ago somewhere that you "can't use it in consecutive years", which didn't sound right at the time.
true.
That's always struck me as weird with the cap. The large exception that can help hamstring franchises for a good chunk of change over many years can be used every summer, but the small exception worth peanuts is limited to like 2 years and can only be used every other year.
Should be the other way around. If the next CBA keeps cap exceptions maybe it will be reversed. Full MLEs only for 2 years and only every other year.
He needs to come here,
I think he's saying "if Manu bolts" then it's rebuilding time. In truth, that would be the nightmare scenario...Splitter stays in Europe and Manu bolts. Spurs would still have MLE and RJs (and maybe Dice's) contract to play with, but losing a playmaker that big and missing out on a big frontcourt piece together would be hard to recover from.
Using the two expiring contracts (Dice's contract only partially guaranteed the next year), the best the Spurs can hope for is some combination of wing player and frontcourt player (i.e. Maggette/Biedrins). You could then use the MLE for a shooter/scorer, though they likely wouldn't be of Manu's calibur.
Spurs FO would likely go through all of those scenarios before rebuilding though. As I've maintained from the beginning, as long as TD is a Spur, the FO won't go into rebuilding mode. They're too loyal to let him spend his last years on a rebuilding squad.
Correct.
Incorrect.The LLE is only available in alternate years.
That is correct.
TJastal, WTF r u talking about Fisher didn't like his team and walking out of his contract with the Jazz? He left Utah because his daughter needed specialized medical care, which the state of Utah could not provide. And the Jazz graciously let him go so he could get his daughter the medical care she needed, which, BTW the city of Los Angeles could provide.
groundhog day.
how often did we discuss how god/mediocre/bad/bust Splitter will be?
fact is, we will never know till he's here.
Scola turned out to be a much much better NBA player and I remember there were quite some more poster pronouncing that he will be to small/weak/non athletic/bad rebounder/ incompatible to succeed in the NBA.
well, he isn't and at 3 million per he is one of the best deals in the league.
yes, there is absolutely no guarrantee that an Euroleague star turns into a good NBA player. as well as there is no guarrantee that a NCAA star turns into a good NBA player. but guess what, more often the NCAA stars turn into good NBA players than the average NCAA player.
Splitter is one of the best Euroleague players. that's fact. the chance is there, that he will be as productive as Scola or Marc Gasol.
the major problem IMO will be the Spurs FO.
they made so many mind-boggling decissions in the last years, that I wouldn't be surprised that they try to lowball him, offer some 2-3 million and therefore lose him.
(and as someone else said: then re sign Bonner for that kind of money)
This is conventional wisdom, but I don't necessarily agree with it.
As was the case with RJ and VC, there will be players that teams attempted to move at this year's trade deadline who will find there way to new destinations before the next season begins.
The two guys that jump out the most in my mind are Corey Maggette and Rip Hamilton. Neither team seems particularly keen to hold onto these contracts anymore tomorrow than they do today.
And if a shorter-term deal (especially an expiring one) is brought to the table for one of them, I think they'd do that deal in a heartbeat.
The Spurs would be motivated by a need to stay relevant, hedge against losing Manu and actually save a little coin (both deals are for less money next year).
Not saying those deals happen, but there are scenarios where the Spurs unload RJs contract before the deadline.
Well, he said that if the Spurs don't trade RJ, the team will rebuild. And if the team rebuilds, then Manu will bolt.
I agree with you that they won't rebuild until TD calls it quits. But I don't even want to waste my time thinking all possible scenarios. I think if they make a fair offer to Manu, and they can do that, he'll be back. As far as Splitter goes, it's really up to him and his 'dream'. I really like the fact that a bunch of guys that are borderline bench players are expiring. Hopefully they can use some of that money to bring some actual role players that can contribute.
I know this is a bit off topic, but...
Honestly the Manu situation worries me more than the Splitter one.
Not that losing out on Splitter and going with Plan B (Camby, etc.) wouldn't suck...but at least there are options.
Losing Manu, what are the legitimate options for replacement? And if you're using MLE on a big, then how do you go about replacing him?
That's why the Spurs are in a terrible position when it comes to Manu...he has all of the negotiating power. Given how butt-hurt he was over the extension talks, I don't expect him to be loyal or favorable towards the Spurs during negotiations.
I fully expect Manu to ask for and receive $10M/yr, whether or not it comes from the Spurs.
Manu will test free agency waters. But I don't think he'll fetch more than $8-$9 for 3 years. A phone call from Pop, Tim and a compe ive offer (ie: NOT a lowball $4 million for 2 years) will get you Manu back.
$10 million a year for Manu seems pretty nuts given the current mood of teams.
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