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    This Spurs team is seriously lacking intensity on the court, and I don't know if it can be cured with guys like Timmy and Parker leading this team.

    I remember a game earlier this season when Tim and Parker missed a game due to injury, and our finishing lineup had Hill/Blair/Manu/RJ in it with a 5th I don't remember, and guys were chest bumping after every bucket, screaming etc. and we won the game and finished out really well. I think Tony and Tim need to show more of this on the court, but we so rarely see it I don't know if they have it in them.

    In the past it could fly when we didn't have to chest bump and scream after baskets in the 4th quarter because our team was so filled with veterans that bringing it every night wasn't a problem, and they all respected Pop so much and he was the one who yelled and screamed for them.

    It's funny because on the court I actually see RJ doing alot of this rah-rah type of behavior. Guys not in their 30s really feed off of this type of stuff, and I think we would see a huge uptick in defensive production with guys like Hill/Blair/RJ if everyone is bringing that on-court intensity. It would be hard for guys to slack off one bit on either end.

    Tony and Tim need to bring a new type of on-court leadership to this team that they haven't brought in the past.

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    yeeeesssssss.... that would be nice

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    guys were chest bumping after every bucket, screaming etc. and we won the game and finished out really well. I think Tony and Tim need to show more of this on the court...
    This is fine and dandy but I am sure that Tony and Tim know that even if they do that and go up by 20 points for 3 quarters, they will lose by 10 at the end and would look like fools for showboating. Times, they are a-changing.

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    Team's lose 20 point leads because they lack intensity and slack off, not because they are too intense.

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    Does intense small ball make you feel any better about the loss?

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    Intensity is a word that gets lost when you talk about some of the members of this Spurs team, but I would be more than happy if they can turn it around.

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    That's just the way Tim is. He's not a very vocal or emotional leader. He always just brought it on the court and led by example. Which is fine, but he isn't the player he was back in 2003.

    In any case, this team has far deeper problems than what a little chest bumping or screaming is going to fix.

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    Does intense small ball make you feel any better about the loss?
    Nothing can make me feel good about RJ playing the 4, but a little enthusiasm isn't too much to ask for.

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    That's just the way Tim is. He's not a very vocal or emotional leader. He always just brought it on the court and led by example. Which is fine, but he isn't the player he was back in 2003.

    In any case, this team has far deeper problems than what a little chest bumping or screaming is going to fix.
    I actually disagree. I think it would solve alot.

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    Don't worry guys, I'll leave Miami and take a pay cut to play alongside Tim, I gotta get another ring, I just GOTTA!!!!

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    I actually agree that this team could use more energy, but it really has very little to do with Duncan and Parker..teams generally get sparked by actual plays, not players, unless the guy is KG.. , even with KG, this year's Celtics team often lacks energy and loses big leads as much as the Spurs do..that's what happens when the players are old..

    Energy generally comes from young players that will spark a team with a big dunk or a big defensive play and getting to loose balls and such..we have a constant energy guy in Manu and Blair is kind of like that with his hustle, but it's tough to have a team full of energy when you're playing a bunch of old guys that can barely move..it also doesn't help that most of the players on the team don't play defense..

    It's cool that a guy like RJ gets excited and cheers, but what good is it when he doesn't play defense and is soft?..this team needs tough energy through actual plays, not through players that yell and cheer..

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    lets throw evryone in the fire except timmy, tp, manu, blair, hill....lol

    all we need is some inside presence ...like a big man next to timmy....we get a big man(PF/C)...we shud be fine......

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    Inside presence is the most overrated thing ever in terms of what the Spurs need. The Spurs need an elite defensive wing and they need to play with a chip on their shoulder every night. We have a stretch 4 already that can play adequate post defense in Bonner. I wanna see guys getting in each other faces, giving hard high fives, chest bumping, the whole nine yards. This team is just devoid of on-court leadership from the players.

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    Tim Duncan is a very intense player and that's why he's likely the best power forward in history. I guess it's easy to confuse bravado with intensity. However, I agree that a lot of our players need to play with a damn the torpedoes at ude, like Manu, and will this team to winning. I don't think TD is laid back when it comes to winning...he's quietly intense.

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    My problem is that Timmy isn't a guy that inspires hard play from his younger teammates. Quietly intense would best describe Kobe Bryant, not Tim Duncan.

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    lol "my problem"

    kg yells and mean-mugs everyone, how the is he "inspiring" people? maybe tim should do a ray lewis dance before every game...dood you're missing the point....

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    Team's lose 20 point leads because they lack intensity and slack off, not because they are too intense.

    No teams lose 20pt leads because the other coach makes adjustments and Pop doesn't.


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    lol "my problem"

    kg yells and mean-mugs everyone, how the is he "inspiring" people? maybe tim should do a ray lewis dance before every game...dood you're missing the point....
    I hate this post... KG was widely regarded as the best defensive player in the game for many years before his injuries last year, and even last year he was the leading player for dpoty before his knee gave out. You don't think his intensity and 'mean-mugs' intimidated a few people, and inspired vets like Paul Pierce/Ray Allen to all of a sudden become at least decent defenders? C'mon... if anything you reinforced my point.

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    If you want intensity, Pop should put a game plan together that everyone believes in.

    Playing harder with the wrong system (small ball) just makes you a tired loser.

    After 50+ games of this crap, I am not surprised, that we are seeing half baked efforts. No employee is going to kill himself working hard for a dumbass boss. They are going to do just enough to show him that his ty plans are not working.

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    Quietly intense would best describe Kobe Bryant, not Tim Duncan.
    I remember the "quietly intense" Kobe Bryant hitting a critical three and mugging for the crowd by holding his huge balls. If only Duncan could get those youngsters on the team motivated like that.

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    I think the 'quiet' label is over-done with Duncan. He may approach his opponents in a certain way, but he's much more vocal with his teammates than people seem to notice. He's vocal on the bench and in the huddles. He's grown in the role since 2002-2003.

    Tim Duncan, 'The Psychoanalysis of Tim Duncan', 1999.

    I try to take this mentally probing at ude on the court with me at all times. People in college thought I was lackadaisical because I didn’t show emotion. They thought I was soft because I didn't yell with every rebound. Emotions must not always be shown, if you show excitement, then you may also show disappointment or frustration. If your opponent picks up on this frustration, you are at a disadvantage. I made sure my opponents didn't know what was going on in my head, I guess that’s why the fans never knew either. Basketball is like a chess game, you cannot reveal all that you are thinking or you will be at a sizeable disadvantage to your opponent.
    Tim Duncan, 'The Quiet Man', S.L. Price, 2003.

    Emotion doesn't work for me. If I get too high or low, something always happens. If there's 10 seconds left and I hit a shot and I'm jumping up and down and high-fiving everybody on the side? It's a guaran-damn-tee that they're going to hit a shot and the game's going to be over. And I'm going to look like an ass.
    From the same article, 2003.

    He's Garry Kasparov in hightops, a former psychology major who delights in the power of his silence. "You destroy people's psyches when you do that," he says. "You absolutely destroy them. They can't get inside your head. They're talking to you, and there's no response other than to make this shot, make this play, get this rebound and go the other way. People hate that."
    Spurs coach Gregg Popovich saw that and used it. His greatest achievement may be that, before last season, he divined Duncan's deepest appe e and used it for his own purposes. With David Robinson slowed by injuries and without a firebrand leader like Avery Johnson, the coach pushed Duncan to break free at last of his own reticence. He insisted that Duncan be the one bucking up teammates with a word or a touch, the one working officials, the one suggesting plays and keeping order on the court. But Duncan resisted; he called himself "a blender, not a leader." Only when Popovich asserted that the team couldn't win otherwise did Duncan buy in. "That's the one way I could get it across," Popovich says.

    Early last season some Spur made a mistake, and during the ensuing timeout Duncan sidled up to his coach and said, "Do I have him or do you have him?" Then Duncan took the player aside and talked to him, and Popovich knew the season was going to get very interesting. After that, Duncan seemed freer than ever, showing a flair that few imagined in him: a three-pointer here, a behind-the-back dribble there, all seven feet of him leading the fast break end-to-end. Now he was talking during huddles, now he was talking during timeouts, now he was slyly chiding Popovich for some backfired motivational ploy. Duncan had become everything the video game's commercial script claimed him to be.
    (Both articles are on the first page of the Duncan Forum.)

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    I think the 'quiet' label is over-done with Duncan. He may approach his opponents in a certain way, but he's much more vocal with his teammates than people seem to notice. He's vocal on the bench and in the huddles. He's grown in the role since 2002-2003.

    Tim Duncan, 'The Psychoanalysis of Tim Duncan', 1999.
    Tim Duncan, 'The Quiet Man', S.L. Price, 2003.
    From the same article, 2003.


    (Both articles are on the first page of the Duncan Forum.)

    Well now it is time for him to use that advice on Pop.

    He needs to pull Pop over to the side and ask him, "Do you need me to coach us, do you have it or should I get it."

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    Spurs should prolly "holla at dis whodi". Apparently, HE'S got it...

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    Inside presence is the most overrated thing ever in terms of what the Spurs need.
    I nominate the sentence above for most wrong post of the year!

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    adequate post defense in Bonner. I wanna see guys getting in each other faces, giving hard high fives, chest bumping, the whole nine yards. This team is just devoid of on-court leadership from the players.


    Bonner giving high fives???

    He would probably miss the other player's hand, then trip and fall, roll over and while getting up take out someone's knee.

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