Archaeologist sees proof for Bible in ancient wall

[Fpoonsie]

Wow.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

So are all angels this stupid, or just Satan and the 1/3 that followed him out the door?

Honestly, why wouldnt he just be a lazy devil and not do anything?

This is me talking to Satan:

"S, listen, we both know that God is omnipotent and you aren't so why do you bother?....You had a nice little run, taking down Jesus for 3 days, but really, just give it up already and ask for forgiveness..."

"I cannot."

"Why not? Just ask JC to come in your heart and boom, you're back inside the gates. Big mansion. Babes. No eternal torment. Seriously.

"No can do. The Bible hath foretoldeth that I will keep trying so I musteth keep trying."

"Dude....seriously, no you don't. Free will and all. Look, I'm not thrilled either about how boring it sounds, walking around singing all day with no PS3, but cmon........boredom > eternal fire.

"No, I thinketh I can still win this thing."

"Whatever dude. If you keep this up, you deserve to burn......not because you didn't ask Jesus into your heart, but because you're an idiot. I'm out of here."

[Cane]

I'd say that remains more commendable than a personal attack, of which she gets thrown her way all-too-often. I understand that the inability to crack her could be infuriating to some, but I can't help credit her for holding her ground, regardless of how misguided I may think that ground is.

And, just a side-note, but my mom shared a similar worried sentiment concerning Obama, and she certainly didn't share a_l's levelheadedness when I attempted to dispute her foolhardy accusations.

Its about the same level imo especially if its consistent; trolling is trolling. Being stubborn is more of a fault than not and on the internet its blissfully easy to do (Kobe trolls, Culburn, etc). Also depends on your perspective: if you're not a Bible-thumping Christian or a non-Christian you might find A_l's posts to be nearly as offensive as a personal attack like calling Obama the anti-christ and using Christianity to reinforce such misguided hate on this idea or in the general realm of politics and science.

[angel_luv]

what did he say when you told him obama is the antichrist?

I didn't tell my pastor I thought President Obama was the anti-christ.

Contrary to how it may have appeared on the forum, I was never fearful of President Obama- even when I speculated about him being the anti- Christ. Furthermore, I never progressed in my thinking to imagining the ramifications of the anti christ being elected, as I was not ever entirely certain that was about to happen.

Still, I could not/ would not say with absolute confidence that President Obama was not the anti-Christ because I had never heard President Obama boldly declare himself to be a follower of Christ.

The reason I stated publicly that I thought President Obama could be the anti-christ is because I misunderstood a post in a thread. (It has been so long, I forgot which thread.)
I had thought someone asked me specifically if I thought President Obama were the anti-christ.
Since it was something I had been wondering about, I chose to answer truthfully and say, " Yes."

With regards to future questions I have regarding the iden y of the anti-christ...
If it ever got to the point where I was worried over the subject, I would definitely go to my pastor for advice.
I cannot know what type of counsel my pastor would give me concerning the topic, as I have not yet needed to ask him.
I would not want to put words in anyone's mouth, so I will not guess for you what his response would be.

As I said before I have no issue standing by the fact that I thought what I thought. Nor do I regret being honest with everyone about how I felt, regardless of the feedback I have received.

[Fpoonsie]

Its about the same level imo especially if its consistent; trolling is trolling. Being stubborn is more of a fault than not and on the internet its blissfully easy to do (Kobe trolls, Culburn, etc). Also depends on your perspective: if you're not a Bible-thumping Christian or a non-Christian you might find A_l's posts to be nearly as offensive as a personal attack like calling Obama the anti-christ and using your Christianity to reinforce such misguided hate.

The problem w/ most "Christians", however, is once they feel that their faith (and likewise, their person) is being attacked, they no longer respond "Christ-like". While I certainly admit that it's easier to temper your excitement or outrage online, you'd think that the frustration so often exhibited by her detractors could/would be tempered as well. However, more often than not, her "stubbornness" only serves to incite them further.

And I wouldn't necessarily classify a_l's labeling of Barack as the (possible) anti-christ "HATE". According to scriptures, he did fit a lot of the criteria. It's a common conclusion-jump by evangelicals to label popular people in history as such, but I don't believe a_l's concern was "hate-filled", but merely that: concern.

[clambake]

i wouldn't have said anything, either. he may have place you into one of those crisp white jackets that tie in the back.

[angel_luv]

Fpoonsie- thank you very much!

[Blake]

I didn't tell my pastor I thought President Obama was the anti-christ.

Contrary to how it may have appeared on the forum, I was never fearful of President Obama- even when I speculated about him being the anti- Christ. Furthermore, I never progressed in my thinking to imagining the ramifications of the anti christ being elected, as I was not ever entirely certain that was about to happen.

Still, I could not/ would not say with absolute confidence that President Obama was not the anti-Christ because I had never heard President Obama boldly declare himself to be a follower of Christ.

The reason I stated publicly that I thought President Obama could be the anti-christ is because I misunderstood a post in a thread. (It has been so long, I forgot which thread.)
I had thought someone asked me specifically if I thought President Obama were the anti-christ.
Since it was something I had been wondering about, I chose to answer truthfully and say, " Yes."

With regards to future questions I have regarding the iden y of the anti-christ...
If it ever got to the point where I was worried over the subject, I would definitely go to my pastor for advice.
I cannot know what type of counsel my pastor would give me concerning the topic, as I have not yet needed to ask him.
I would not want to put words in anyone's mouth, so I will not guess for you what his response would be.

As I said before I have no issue standing by the fact that I thought what I thought. Nor do I regret being honest with everyone about how I felt, regardless of the feedback I have received.

if you really, really, really, realy think about it, common sense would tell you that if the book of revelation were to really happen that it would not happen in our life time.

Waaaaaaaaaaay too many people today are very familiar with the book of Revelation.

[clambake]

It's a common conclusion-jump by evangelicals to label

Fpoonsie- thank you very much!!!!

[Blake]

The problem w/ most "Christians", however, is once they feel that their faith (and likewise, their person) is being attacked, they no longer respond "Christ-like". While I certainly admit that it's easier to temper your excitement or outrage online, you'd think that the frustration so often exhibited by her detractors could/would be tempered as well. However, more often than not, her "stubbornness" only serves to incite them further.

And I wouldn't necessarily classify a_l's labeling of Barack as the (possible) anti-christ "HATE". According to scriptures, he did fit a lot of the criteria. It's a common conclusion-jump by evangelicals to label popular people in history as such, but I don't believe a_l's concern was "hate-filled", but merely that: concern.

I agree.

A_L is absolutely no hate filled troll. It's ridiculous to suggest it.

[Fpoonsie]

Fpoonsie- thank you very much!

Not necessary. I'm very aware that you're more than capable of fighting your own battles.

And I wasn't actually "battling", but simply "curiously engaging".

[Fpoonsie]

Fpoonsie- thank you very much!!!!

Ummm... ?

[Cane]

The problem w/ most "Christians", however, is once they feel that their faith (and likewise, their person) is being attacked, they no longer respond "Christ-like". While I certainly admit that it's easier to temper your excitement or outrage online, you'd think that the frustration so often exhibited by her detractors could/would be tempered as well. However, more often than not, her "stubbornness" only serves to incite them further.

This is Spurstalk we're talking about...I have no idea how Culburn and the like stayed unbanned for so long. This place is rampant with personal attacks and rage/troll-inducing topics...part of what makes this place great and horrible at the same time...horribly great.

And I wouldn't necessarily classify a_l's labeling of Barack as the (possible) anti-christ "HATE". According to scriptures, he did fit a lot of the criteria. It's a common conclusion-jump by evangelicals to label popular people in history as such, but I don't believe a_l's concern was "hate-filled", but merely that: concern.

Sure, some of it could be "concern" just like a lot of posters are "concerned" that people believe and act like such. You go around proclaiming people to be the antichrist for the sake of doing so is still trolling; people who go around with this mindset know it inflames and pisses people off ditto with people that mention religion or lack thereof on a regular basis and use these beliefs to reinforce their hate.

Is it Christian like to go around proclaiming people you know little about, never met, etc. to be the anti-christ or a witch? Use religion to put down others like it was done against blacks and nowadays, gays? Its fine to believe in whatever you want about the life beyond; not so much when its used to oppress or demonize others today.

What Would David Robinson Do?

[koriwhat]

Still, I could not/ would not say with absolute confidence that President Obama was not the anti-Christ because I had never heard President Obama boldly declare himself to be a follower of Christ.

so he wasn't in the past and he isn't in the present? just like your grammar, your religion is flawed too.

[angel_luv]

if you really, really, really, realy think about it, common sense would tell you that if the book of revelation were to really happen that it would not happen in our life time.

Waaaaaaaaaaay too many people today are very familiar with the book of Revelation.

That is an interesting thought.

I believe the Bible is both spiritually and factually true and that Rapture will happen. So, I am curious about how people will react when the Rapture occurs.

Think about it, like you said, people are familiar with the book of Revelation. Also there is a whole " Left Behind" best selling book series on the subject.
People should know what happened when it hits them.

But then again, it took ten plagues for Pharoah to release the Israelites from slavery in Egypt and even then Pharoah chased after the Israelites and ended up drowning.

[koriwhat]

one big fairytale i tell ya...

[Fpoonsie]

...horribly great.

Sure, some of it could be "concern" just like a lot of posters are "concerned" that people believe and act like such. You go around proclaiming people to be the antichrist for the sake of doing so is still trolling; people who go around with this mindset know it inflames and pisses people off ditto with people that mention religion or lack thereof on a regular basis and use these beliefs to reinforce their hate.

Is it Christian like to go around proclaiming people you know little about, never met, etc. to be the anti-christ or a witch? Use religion to put down others like it was done against blacks and nowadays, gays? Its fine to believe in whatever you want about the life beyond; not so much when its used to oppress or demonize others.

What Would David Robinson Do?

I believe some could argue that holding true to one's beliefs while at the same time treating people with respect and "Christ-like" love is specifically what Christianity preaches, and, moreover, exactly what a_l does.

She's mentioned that she misunderstood a post and simply put her (now ST-infamous) idea out there. She wasn't parading it around in non-believers' faces to attack or offend them, but merely stating her opinion. And I'd wager that she did so w/ as much tact as one possibly could muster when stating such a controversial claim.

I think people are so familiar w/ the "Christians" you allude to, the hate-filled, self-righteous, "Fred Phelps"s of the world, that the immediately lump ALL self-proclaimed, outspoken believers into the same category. A_l, from what I've seen thus far, doesn't deserve to be associated w/ such filth.

However, as soon as she opens a "God Hates s (and so do I, those nasty mother ers)" thread, I'll be the first to admit my egregious error.

[Fpoonsie]

so he wasn't in the past and he isn't in the present? just like your grammar, your religion is flawed too.

one big fairytale i tell ya...

Case in point. Exactly what I'm talking about. Unnecessary.

[koriwhat]

Case in point. Exactly what I'm talking about. Unnecessary.

not so quick... what exactly is unnecessary about what i said?

her grammar is flawed like her religion. she states that obama was not and is not the antichrist as well as the bible being factually true. please show me where i was wrong in my assessment.

[Blake]

That is an interesting thought.

I believe the Bible is both spiritually and factually true and that Rapture will happen. So, I am curious about how people will react when the Rapture occurs.

Think about it, like you said, people are familiar with the book of Revelation. Also there is a whole " Left Behind" best selling book series on the subject.
People should know what happened when it hits them.

Exactly. People as a whole sometimes can easily be played by propaganda, but have more common sense than that.

If a whole bunch of people disappear after which someone comes along pushing a "mark", there is no way that the dude survives 5 minutes in America and very few people would be stupid enough to get "the mark".

I for one would complain to my congressman about having the choice of having to starve or go to

But then again, it took ten plagues for Pharoah to release the Israelites from slavery in Egypt and even then Pharoah chased after the Israelites and ended up drowning.

In the story, the Pharoah gambled and lost.

If several million people suddenly disappear today, very few will gamble against it being a rapture.

I do feel sorry for all the millions of starving Africans that won't be part of the rapture that will take the mark of the beast just so they can give their small child something to eat.

But God is fair and just, right?



I also hate to be the one to break it to you, but the literal translation of the old Hebrew text "yam suph" makes more sense translated as "Reed Sea" instead of Red Sea.

It would also explain how the large number of Israelites crossed the sea on foot through the marshy low level sea of reeds while the smaller number of Egyptian chariots could not catch up through the marsh and simply turned back.

[koriwhat]

Exactly. People as a whole sometimes can easily be played by propaganda, but have more common sense than that.

If a whole bunch of people disappear after which someone comes along pushing a "mark", there is no way that the dude survives 5 minutes in America and very few people would be stupid enough to get "the mark".

I for one would complain to my congressman about having the choice of having to starve or go to



In the story, the Pharoah gambled and lost.

If several million people suddenly disappear today, very few will gamble against it being a rapture.

I do feel sorry for all the millions of starving Africans that won't be part of the rapture that will take the mark of the beast just so they can give their small child something to eat.

But God is fair and just, right?



I also hate to be the one to break it to you, but the literal translation of the old Hebrew text "yam suph" makes more sense translated as "Reed Sea" instead of Red Sea.

It would also explain how the large number of Israelites crossed the sea on foot through the marshy low level sea of reeds while the smaller number of Egyptian chariots could not catch up through the marsh and simply turned back.

it's also funny that people don't believe in the donkey lady, except those who visit tijuana haha, but they believe in a book written by fools who proclaim they were guided by god to be his personal stenographer.

[Blake]

it's also funny that people don't believe in the donkey lady, except those who visit tijuana haha, but they believe in a book written by fools who proclaim they were guided by god to be his personal stenographer.

and then those books were grossly mistranslated by people with agendas.

[koriwhat]

and then those books were grossly mistranslated by people with agendas.

i dont have 24 ribs... i have 24 s! yeah for s!

[Bigzax]

why wait for one anti-christ when there are currently billions...

[Fpoonsie]

not so quick... what exactly is unnecessary about what i said?

her grammar is flawed like her religion. she states that obama was not and is not the antichrist as well as the bible being factually true. please show me where i was wrong in my assessment.

I never said your criticisms were inaccurate, just unnecessary.

Par for the course, though, unfortunately.