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Another great game for the Bulldog today..
Bogans sucks...I sometimes wish he and Bonner would voluntarily tell Pop they suck themselves.....or get just a little bit hurt to the point where they cant play anymore...therefore forcing Pop to play Mahinmi and Hairston...
Another great game for the Bulldog today..
keith BOOGER bogans he sticks to you like mucus!
I'm convinced. He's ing dead weight... What's more, other teams are starting to take notice and leaving him open to double the good guys.
Yeah there were times where the Suns would just leave him camped at the three point line and the Spurs weren't even looking to pass the ball to him for fear he might put it up.
Whats really frustrating is that when he was being used situationally at the beginning of the season, he was alright. Then Pop decided to start him and he started to really suck. Then he benched him and I was pumped that it looked like Pop realized what we all realized...then he decides arbitrarily to restart him? And now, he just plays like 3 minutes at the beginning of each half and we spot the other team a couple points. He is worthless in the role he's in.
Hey, I was all for playing him at the beginning of the season when he was shooting over 50% from three... no reason not to ride that gravy train... but now?
I agree with Pop about having a defensive presence to start the game, but you can't force it. Not matter how badly he wants him to be, Bogans isn't a stopper. Pop thinks if you're an untalented player with limited physical tools but you work hard, that that automatically makes you a good defender.
Jefferson needs to be re-inserted into the starting lineup immediately. He's finally starting to come around and even if he reverts, he's still better than Bogans. This team doesn't have a stopper, nor the capabilities to be a top five defensive team. If Pop wanted/expected that, then he should have thought about that when he and the front office were attempting to re-load this team. What annoys me most is how hypocritical he is. Preaching defense, then playing Blair-Jefferson as his backup big duo. This after giving away Ratliff and while refusing to play Mahinmi.
I don't disagree with Pop on this either. However, I disagree that Bogans brings that defensive presence on the perimeter.
Pop is a hypocrite and here's why. He waxes poetic about "having a defensive presence" and "playing the type of defense the Spurs are accustomed to", yet this is the same coach that elected to start Finley at SF for the better part of last season. He even resorted to assigning Finley to the opposition's best perimeter player. As if Finley had any of the requisite defensive skills needed to even be an average defender. Meanwhile, all of this came at the expense of Bowen, whom he benched last season.
This season he brings in RJ, with the expectation that he could resort back to being an adequate defender, when he's not demonstrated those skills previously.
Couldn't agree more. This is the confusing thing about Pop. He seemingly trusts the wrong players. I know that Bogans isn't cutting it and re-inserting RJ back into the starting lineup is probably a good idea.
Bogans has certainly been ineffective, but I really didn't expect him to walk in and become a starter or even a Bowenesque stopper. I think that was Pop's dream. I'd still rather see Bogans on the court any day over Finley.
There's no mistaking the fact that this year's Spurs team is a ty defensive team. Pop seems to be the one who is surprised about this. As TD21 stated, if the FO wanted to field a better defensive team, they should've invested in better defensive players. You are what you are. There shouldn't be any surprises there.
Bogans isn't a presence of any sort in the game, other than he's literally present on the floor in the games. He's a pretty big upgrade from 5 on 4 but that's about as positive as it gets.
Keith Bogans has never been anything more than an occasionally decent situational subs ute on mediocre squads for his entire career. Yet, he has been elevated to starting status on, what should be, a championship caliber team. Popovich must have convinced himself that he could turn him into the defensive wing that would fit so cozily into his system. To his credit, he did the same thing with Bruce Bowen.
Pop gave Bruce the opportunity to succeed when he was a free agent after filling a similar role as Bogans on the Heat. However, Bowen seized that opportunity and far exceeded any and all expectations by making the most of a limited skill set and improving his weaknesses enough to solidify his position as an intregal part of a championship team.
Bowen had the at ude, desire and determination to be a winner. Bogans is a loser. He doesn't get it. He does not possess the psychological tools to be a winner.
Popovich is either not convinced that Bogans can't develop this mindset or he is giving himself far too much credit for what Bowen became in his system.
Pop is either an idiot, delusional or has just become an asshole. I am convinced he is the latter. Blame it on hubris or wine brain rot, but he has made some huge mistakes the past two seasons and should be held accountable.
I have a scary feeling that he's gonna be a Spur for a long time though...
True statement. However when used correctly, he has shown to be good contributor. Can't overexpose him though.
Clearly, that's Pop's ego at work. He thought he could turn Finley and RJ into above average or decent defenders.
Strong stuff. If Pop wants Bogans to be successful, he should pair Bogans up with Bowen this summer and let the master teach the student.
Bogans sucks brah
Sure. I would have no problem with Bogans if he were used sparingly. For example, to defend bigger, more physical point guards who take advantage of Tony & George on the block (Bogans has trouble staying in front of quicker guards). However, the Spurs roster is not talented enough to be afforded that luxury.
Ego is definitely involved and that is fine, but it really only works when you're winning. RJ used to be a pretty decent defender in Jersey, but he picked up some bad habits in Milwaukee. Finley has also been a good defender, but he is just done. I have more faith in RJ at this point because he has more ability than Bogans.
I would just rather have Bogans be gone next year, but if he is resigned that wouldn't be a bad idea. However, given the previously mentioned Pop ego, I don't see him asking Bowen for help.
While it's a good idea, Bogans simply doesn't have the physical tools to be a good defender right now and in the remaining years of his career..he isn't quick, he isn't athletic, he isn't a great basketball mind like a Battier type, he doesn't have the height or length..he doesn't really have anything to make him a good defender..
Couldn't agree more. Although in fairness, I understand why he started Finley at SF all of last season; the team desperately needed offense and Finley was still one of the better offensive players on the team. That's more a commentary of the team than Finley, though. There was no excuse for Bowen not to be in the rotation last season. It's not as if Udoka was some young player who had a future with the Spurs and even last season, Bowen was still more effective than him. I laughed at the part I put in bold because it's the type of remark I'd make.
I've went on and on about the Spurs expectations of Jefferson. It's clear to me they were either arrogant and thought, "we're the Spurs, if we can get less talented players to play championship caliber ball, then surely we can get him to", or they were just lazy, thought he was still the '06 Jefferson and didn't do their due diligence, or it was a panic move, born out of desperation by a fading team that knew they had to do something significant to have a shot at another championship and felt this was as close as they could come to that.
Pop, like many coaches of his stature, is stubborn. As if he thinks he's teaching Jefferson a lesson or something. The guy can't play much better than he has the past few games and his defense is no worse than Bogans', so there's no reason not to start him.
I'm not saying they should ignore defense, but Pop needs to stop throwing out pseudo "defensive lineups" (aka starting Bogans) and just start Jefferson, use Blair more, limit Bogans' minutes to spot duty, cut out the small ball nonsense when it's uncalled for and realize that this team, if they're to win with any type of regularity, will have to do it by outscoring their opponents. It may not be what he wants, but it is what the Spurs are at this point.
son i see fisher every day. its clearly him
The saddest part about Bogans is the fact that he lost his spot in the rotation while in Orlando to Courtney Lee and Mikael Pietrus, gets traded to Milwaukee and can't even find playing time on a sub-.500 team. Then, he's a last minute pick-up on a "championship caliber" team with what many thought was a set wing rotation of Ginobili, Jefferson, Mason, Finley and hopefully Hairston. Yet, he comes here and shows very little ability on either end of the court, other than an occasional three-pointer or defensive play, and finds himself inserted into the starting line-up at SF (even though he's barely 6'5'' tall). Worst of all he's eating away at minutes that could go to a player with far more upside and a chance to become a Raja Bell-esque perimeter defender in Hairston.
He's definitely the worst 6'5'' starting SF in NBA history......
Give me Ime Udoka over Bogans any day.
u serious???
Bogans > Udoka. come on
at least Bogans brings a little toughness. Udoka was a softy
Mike Brickley is a pretty close 2nd, but yeah he is terrible.
Bench Blowgans and put in Hairston.
Tell you the truth I'd rather had Usucka....at least he makes an open 3 once in awhile and doesn't constantly foul. Usucka wasn't soft either BTW.
Who is this beacon of enlightenment that keeps gracing each thread with his amazingly keen insights?
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