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I'd take Udoka over Bogans easy. And Hairston over both. Poor Malik has had to wait for POop's lover (Fins) in 2008 and now POop's first affair (Bogs) in 2009. That alone should qualify him for potential jersey retirement.
oh come on. Udoka was soft. he would get his blocked half the time. And was never a tough paint defender.
I'd take Udoka over Bogans easy. And Hairston over both. Poor Malik has had to wait for POop's lover (Fins) in 2008 and now POop's first affair (Bogs) in 2009. That alone should qualify him for potential jersey retirement.
5 pages of bashing and yet hes still starting
Maybe if we drag it out to 10 the gods will rain lightning down on his head... they are probably getting sick of watching him too
Some objective measures from Hollinger-ville - (In terms of Wins shares)
Top 5 worst NBA rotation players -
1. DeShawn Stevenson
2. Sasha Pavlovic
3. Rafer Alston
4. Brian Scalabrine, Derek Fisher, Trenton Hassell, Keith Bogans
5. Fabricio Oberto, James Posey, Terrence Williams
Malik Hairston and Ian Mahinmi. Serious do you even watch basketball. Why do you think they dont play? Malik is only lost part of the time but Ian is terrible.
pavlovic>^inf bogans
I know they looked so lost the other night leading the spurs back from a 20+ point defecit against the rockettes. What the was Pop thinking playing these guys when he has respected veterans like Bogawns and Boner?
Ian terrible? What the are you watching? Can you not see that the kid has a set of skills (rebounding, post defense, shotblocking) that are missing from this team? No one thinks this guy is a savior, but if you can't see that he's a useful player, it is you that needs to watch more closely.
In the cases of both Malik and Ian, just because the coach is too stubborn to give them minutes and refuses to move them up the roster heirarchy doesn't mean they're trash or that they don't deserve minutes. Just as it doesn't mean that the guys in front of them (Bonner, Bogans, Finley) deserve to be on the court.
Both Ian and Malik are instant energy and effort upgrades, on both ends, over the guys in front of them.
Kind of surprised Oberto made that list. He was slow, but he didn't seem THAT bad when he played for the Spurs.
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bruce bowen at one time was considered the worst and now people are crying for him to come back..
He was never considered "the worst" by any stretch of the imagination. The impact Bowen put on the game was well felt and obvious.
Bowen was a better offensive player than Bogans and we should never even mention them in the same sentence when discussing their defense. Bowen was in an entirely different league than Bogans.
Really...You have been a member here long enough to know that alot of other members hated bowen in the starting lineup due to his lower than average offensive abilities. To say this was never mentioned is crazy. I dont think I compared the two by simply posting his name in this thread..
Bowen was a better offensive player than Bogans and we should never even mention them in the same sentence when discussing their defense. Bowen was in an entirely different league than Bogans.
And you'd think those people would learn their lesson now that there's a guy who's even worse from the offensive side and doesn't play defense.
Yep serious. Udoka is not undersized at the position and was better than Bogans, though he wasn't very good either. I don't think either one is a softie. But Bogans is damn near useless. He tries but just isn't very talented or capable. I hope Hairston will start to play more and take his minutes.
Bogans is more of a bulldog. I would rather have Bogans over Udoka for sure.
Hubie said it in the game and I think it's true...in order for a guy like Bogans to stay in his starting role he's going to have to hit shots.
Hairston already passed Finley on the depth chart with his release. I don't think it's entirely impossible for Hairston to make a late run at surpassing Bogans.
Are you kidding? Mahinmi play against the equally undersized Hornets? Not happening. If McDyess plays, then expect a three big rotation/small ball. If McDyess doesn't play, then expect Bonner to take his spot in a three big rotation/small ball. Either way, with McDyess having a sore knee and Pop managing Duncan's minutes, Blair should clear 20 minutes tonight, which is a rarity. I also expect Mason to play more minutes and Hairston may make a couple of brief appearances for specific defensive stands, but Mahinmi? I'd be shocked. The Spurs play small when there's no reason to and it makes no sense, so there's virtually no chance of them not playing small when they're playing a small team.
I bet after Mahinmi signs with a team next year, he will make the regular rotation and will average around 7 and 4 with a block. He could do it with us but Pop won't allow it.
I'd be happy if he hustled. He doesn't.
I know +/- doesn't tell the whole story, and sometimes tells a very misleading one.... but sometimes it tells a big part of the real story.
At the half:
Bogans -9.... Only other Spur that's negative is Parker at -4. In a game that we lead by 11.
It's obvious before you ever go look at the stats that both guys have been hindering the team often this year.
+/- should only be used in large sample sizes..
Tony is a +3 net +/- this season, so he's contributing..
Bogans has the worst +/- on the team, which is even sadder when you consider how many minutes he's played with Timmy, TP and RJ..
Bogans going for another 0 pt effort as a starter, tell me haters, you think Hairston could do any worse?
Yea, I'm just sayin... nearly every game is like this for Bogans.
Parker has often been on the - side a lot more than he or anybody else would like him to have been this year. He's a net + because he's still Tony and has still had his good games. For him, it's all about the injuries and how he's feeling that day.
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