Well, at least it's not just the American...

[George Gervin's Afro]

For the record, I really don't care if Obama has a few smokes.


Did GGA really invoke the "Bush lied, people died" line 4-posts into this thread?

I'd want to forget what he did as well but unfortunately we are still involved in the mess he created. I guess you can pretend we aren't in Iraq anymore..

[Yonivore]

I'd want to forget what he did as well but unfortunately we are still involved in the mess he created. I guess you can pretend we aren't in Iraq anymore..

1) Why did the Democrat-controlled Congress pass the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq?

2) Why hasn't the Democrat-controlled Congress passed legislation that would require the President to cease all military action in Iraq?

3) Why hasn't President Obama kept his campaign promise to withdraw from Iraq?

Why? Because it is a legitimate military action.

If the Democrats aren't willing to stand behind all their criticism -- even after standing beside President Bush (until March 2003) -- with concrete action they are perfectly capable of taking, then all they've said over the past 7 years about the illegitimacy of "Bush's War in Iraq" is just a bunch of political rhetoric designed to keep people like you keeping people like them in power.

By the way, same goes for enhanced interrogation.

Because there are no actions to indict any Bush official for any criminal wrongdoing, all the bluster is -- well -- just bluster.

[Yonivore]

No, the thread is an illustration that the same people here who criticize Obama for not being honest with the American people were silent when their guy misled us to war. I'd want to forget that too..

Tell us, again, what was the lie Bush used to mislead us into a war in Iraq?

[Yonivore]

You're a little late. Even republicans like Bill-O have already admitted it was a mistake and unjustified.

Why would I care what Bill O'Reilly thinks any more than I care what you think?

[nkdlunch]

Tell us, again, what was the lie Bush used to mislead us into a war in Iraq?

Iraq has WMDs

[rjv]

For George...

well, now you are getting it. they are all liars!

[Yonivore]

Iraq has WMDs

Who, in a position to affect government policy, did not believe the same at the time.

Furthermore, you'd have to demonstrate how President Bush believed otherwise for it to be a lie.

[nkdlunch]

Who, in a position to affect government policy, did not believe the same at the time.

Furthermore, you'd have to demonstrate how President Bush believed otherwise for it to be a lie.

no you don't. that's the silliest thing I heard all week.

it's like me saying. I just banged your sister. So you have to demonstrate I beleive otherwise for it to be a lie?? you funny

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why did the Democrat-controlled Congress pass the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq?

2) Why hasn't the Democrat-controlled Congress passed legislation that would require the President to cease all military action in Iraq?

Addressing the resolution, currently being debated in Congress, authorizing him to use military force against Iraq, President Bush explained that its passage did not mean that war was imminent or unavoidable. Instead, said the president, "The resolution will tell the United Nations, and all nations, that America speaks with one voice and is determined to make the demands of the civilized world mean something."

Stating that while he hoped military action against Iraq would not be required, Bush said it might be both unavoidable and difficult. Calling extended delay of action against Iraq to be "the riskiest of all options," Bush contended that "the longer we wait, the stronger and bolder Saddam Hussein will become."

3) Why hasn't President Obama kept his campaign promise to withdraw from Iraq?

"Let me say this as plainly as I can: by August 31, 2010 our combat mission in Iraq will end," Obama said, laying out a new war strategy.

"I intend to remove all US troops from Iraq by the end of 2011," Obama said, adding the post-2010 residual force would number between 35,000 and 50,000 troops.

Why? Because it is a legitimate military action.




If the Democrats aren't willing to stand behind all their criticism -- even after standing beside President Bush (until March 2003) -- with concrete action they are perfectly capable of taking, then all they've said over the past 7 years about the illegitimacy of "Bush's War in Iraq" is just a bunch of political rhetoric designed to keep people like you keeping people like them in power.

"My view is that nobody is above the law, and if there are clear instances of wrongdoing, those people should be prosecuted just like any ordinary citizen; but generally speaking, I´m more interested in looking forward than I am in looking backward."

By the way, same goes for enhanced interrogation.

Because there are no actions to indict any Bush official for any criminal wrongdoing, all the bluster is -- well -- just bluster.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Tell us, again, what was the lie Bush used to mislead us into a war in Iraq?

Bush, Cheney, Rice and Powell said that some aluminum tubes Iraq attempted to buy were intended for use in a uranium centrifuge to create nuclear weapons. These were the only physical evidence he had against Iraq. But it turns out this evidence had been rejected by the Department of Energy and other intelligence agencies long before Bush used them in his speeches. [NYTimes] [MotherJones] [CNN]

Bush and his team repeatedly claimed that Iraq possessed mobile weapons labs capable of producing anthrax. Colin Powell showed diagrams of them at his speech before the UN to justify invading Iraq. These claims originated from Curveball, a discredited Iraqi informer who fed Bush many of the stories related to WMD. On May 29, 2003, two small trailers matching the description were found in Iraq. A team of bio-weapons experts examined the trailers and concluded they were simply designed to produce hydrogen for weather balloons. But, for over a year, Bush claimed these were part of Iraq's bio-weapons program. The expert's report was suppressed and only recently made public. [WashPost] [ABC]

I guess his case was so strong that he had to use information that he knew not to be correct...

[Yonivore]

You didn't answer any of the questions, George.

[George Gervin's Afro]

2) Why hasn't the Democrat-controlled Congress passed legislation that would require the President to cease all military action in Iraq?

Because the war is over.

Anything else?.


We are withdrawing from Iraq.

Anything else?

[jack sommerset]

Because the war is over.

Anything else?.


We are withdrawing from Iraq.

Anything else?

Wow....incredible....Genius. Mark another victory up for George. The war is over, game over. Good job George!!!!!

[Yonivore]

Because the war is over.

Anything else?.

Why didn't they do anything the past 7 years?

And, the "war is over" because President Bush ignored Harry Reid, when he declared the war lost, and defeated al Qaeda in Iraq.

We are withdrawing from Iraq.

Anything else?

I'll bet we're in Iraq in 2012 and beyond.

Congress could have defunded the action, any time, and forced the President to withdraw immediately. President Obama could have ordered troops out on January 21, 2009.

[in2deep]

no you don't. that's the silliest thing I heard all week.

it's like me saying. I just banged your sister. So you have to demonstrate I beleive otherwise for it to be a lie?? you funny

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why didn't they do anything the past 7 years?

And, the "war is over" because President Bush ignored Harry Reid, when he declared the war lost, and defeated al Qaeda in Iraq.


I'll bet we're in Iraq in 2012 and beyond.

Congress could have defunded the action, any time, and forced the President to withdraw immediately. President Obama could have ordered troops out on January 21, 2009.

Oh of course they could have left the troops high and dry in Iraq but they didn't amd rightfully so. I'll remind you that the GOP was ok with sending in the troop without the appropriate supplies whch undeniably caused troop deaths. So I guess I'd like to know why the President and the GOP sent Americans into harms way without the necessary tools to protect themselves?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wow....incredible....Genius. Mark another victory up for George. The war is over, game over. Good job George!!!!!

And jack used to complain that I was obssesed with him..... The war is over. haven't you heard? Mission was accomplished!

[Yonivore]

Oh of course they could have left the troops high and dry in Iraq but they didn't amd rightfully so. I'll remind you that the GOP was ok with sending in the troop without the appropriate supplies whch undeniably caused troop deaths. So I guess I'd like to know why the President and the GOP sent Americans into harms way without the necessary tools to protect themselves?

Now you want to re-prosecute the war?

Are we to expect a person that believes the whole military action was illegitimate not to criticize how it was prosecuted?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Now you want to re-prosecute the war?

Are we to expect a person that believes the whole military action was illegitimate not to criticize how it was prosecuted?

what?

[clambake]

poor yoni.

terminally stupid.

[in2deep]

looks like yonivore is just pulling words out of the dictionary and assembling in a way that makes no ing sense

[Yonivore]

George, if you agreed with the invasion of Iraq, you would be more tolerant of missteps taken in the prosecution of the war.

For instance; people who disagreed with our involvement in World War II ed and moaned for decades about the many military fubars committed during that war.

Do you know there were 750 soldiers that died in the rehearsal for the D-Day invasion?

One death -- no matter the cause -- in an illegitimate war is unforgivable...any death in a legitimate war is a cost worth bearing.

So, either you believe the invasion of Iraq was justified and legitimate and, therefore, are willing to accept the inevitable tragedies (which, by the way, have been the fewest of any military action of comparable size) or, you think the invasion is illegitimate and will find gross criminality in every death.

It is for this very reason I said, "Are we to expect a person that believes the whole military action was illegitimate not to criticize how it was prosecuted? "

I'm not the one stuck on stupid.

[Yonivore]

looks like yonivore is just pulling words out of the dictionary and assembling in a way that makes no ing sense

That; or, you have a reading comprehension problem.

[clambake]

yoni comparing ww2 with iraq lol

[Yonivore]

yoni comparing ww2 with iraq lol

The naysayers are the same.

Pick a war; the principle still applies.