I agree. Melo, Kobe and Lebron are all better. All I was saying is he's not on a scrub team.
Eh. They've got the 3rd best defense in the NBA. That's a team that'll generally do well in the playoffs. They're young as so I can see why you'd take any other team but most wouldn't view them as a scrub team. My biggest beef with Durant is him not being more of a playmaker on offense.
Perspective, Luva. They won 23 games last year.
10th best record in the league, one of only 8 teams with winning road records, and like DOK mentioned, surprisingly one of the best defensive teams in the league.
Oklahoma City might not be in the group of the big boys yet as legit le contenders. But, they are far from a "scrub" team.
another brilliant gem from a "knowledgeable" poster
You know the difference between a CEO of a million dollar company and a factory worker?
A couple zeros on the paycheck... that's it.
LOL OKC looks good to me. But yet in still they are the team out of the playoff field i would LOVE to face ...first run playoff teams are usually out quickly look at Portland last year everyone was on their jock especilly Brandon Roy's and they went out meekly to the Rox ...
I wish it was lakers OKC in round one ...but probaly won't happen. Next year I think they will be MUCH better just making it this year is a HUGE acomplishment.
#1. Lebron James..by far the best player in the NBA, on his own level right now..
#2. Kobe Bryant..breaking down, but still the 2nd best player in the NBA..
#3. Dwight Howard..he's by far the biggest defensive and rebounding difference-maker in the NBA, he's improved his post game..only people that haven't seen him play this season can claim differently..
#4. Dwyane Wade..he's not playing like it this season, but I feel like he should still be ranked here..when he's giving it his all, he's on this level..we'll probably see more of it next year..
#5. Carmelo Anthony..arguably the best scorer in the NBA right now..
#6. Kevin Durant..it's tough to rank him this high since he hasn't even played a playoff game, but what he's doing with the Thunder is impressive as ..
#7. Chris Paul..I would usually have him at 5, but he's a legit injury concern at this point..
#8a. Tim Duncan..I take him slightly over Dirk for still having the much better all-around game..it's visible on the court and the stats back it up..
#8b. Dirk Nowitzki..Dirk certainly has a good argument against Duncan..while Timmy's numbers are much better, Dirk has been as valuable to his team as any other player in the NBA this season, and the numbers back that up..the Mavs are completely inept without him..
#10. Chris Bosh..Gasol is better defensively and is a much better passer, but Bosh has him beat everywhere else..
#11. Pau Gasol..in most head-to-head matchups and when he's playing at his highest level, he's as good as the other big men in front of him..the problem with him is his inconsistency and the fact that a certain defensive playing style can often take him out of his game and make him invisible for stretches..
#12. Deron Williams..
#13. Brandon Roy..
#14. Joe Johnson..
#15. Amare Stoudemire..
Sometimes I wonder if your being serious.
He's just trolling as always. No one on SpursTalk is actually that dumb.
Why the is KG still on these lists?
I like this list, but I'd have Carmelo at the #3 spot and Dirk ahead of Duncan based on what's happening now. I'm not sure if I'd take Dwyane over Durant either, but that's neither here nor there...
Are Tim Duncan's numbers really "much better" than Dirk's?
I think that's arguable at best.
Top 20 PER (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...ger/statistics), bolded names are on the ESPN OP link:
1 LeBron James
2 Dwyane Wade
3 Tim Duncan
4 Chris Bosh
5 Chris Paul
6 Kevin Durant
7 Dwight Howard
8 Greg Oden
9 Dirk Nowitzki
10 Kobe Bryant
11 Carmelo Anthony
12 Kevin Love
13 Steve Nash
14 Josh Smith
15 Chauncey Billups
16 David Lee
17 Pau Gasol
18 Brandon Roy
19 Zach Randolph
20 Carlos Boozer, UTH
If PER means anything then KG (#32 on the PER leader list) and Paul Pierce (didn't make the top 50) don't belong on a top 15 list.... And I think Boston has been playing sub-500 ball since X-Mas or the All Star Break.
Last edited by Cane; 03-03-2010 at 09:35 PM.
1.Kobe Bryant
2.LeBron James
3.Dwyane Wade
4.Carmelo Anthony
5.Tim Duncan
6.Dirk Nowitzki
7.Kevin Durant
8.Steve Nash
9.Dwight Howard
10.Chris Paul
11.Chris Bosh
12.Kevin Garnett
13.Paul Pierce
14.Brandon Roy
15.Pau Gasol
I said his all-around game is much better, and I would stand by that..
EDIT: looks like I did say Duncan's numbers are much better..probably an exaggeration..I was looking at his PER, rebounding, passing, shot blocking, offensive/defensive ratings and lower usage%/minutes..much better is an exaggeration though, I shouldn't have said that..
IMO, the argument for Dirk would be whether his scoring/ability to take over games with his scoring and his value to his team is enough to say he's currently a better player than Duncan..
I certainly wouldn't mind anybody putting Dirk ahead of him right now, I just disagree..
1st team All-NBA:
C. Howard
F. LeBron
F. Durant
G. Bryant
G. Wade
2nd team:
C. Duncan
F. Nowitzki
F. Bosh
G. Paul
G. Roy
3rd:
C. Gasol
F. Anthony
F. Stoudemire
G. Nash
G. Pierce
In the PER standings, Duncan beats Dirk by quite a bit and is also averaging a double double.. Duncan's also having a great year despite averaging a career low in minutes and he beats Dirk in rebounds, FG%, efficiency, assists, and blocks while averaging six minutes less per game. Dirk is younger and a better shooter but I think its pretty safe to say Duncan > Dirk. Duncan's also a better defender and has more bball IQ.
I hope it doesnt sound like hating because I tink he is a top 2 PG in the NBA but with all the games missed for injury how can you justify c3p as 2nd team?
If you said BEST Player? cool. butt ALL NBA this year? that is not fair to Nash, Rose Dwill etc.
Nash doesn't deserve to be anywhere near this list when he gets out performed by his backup as often as he does.
this is from bspn? more like a popularity contest and trolls
Pierce and Garnett ahead of Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and Chauncey Billups? ESPN is re ed.
Duncan is better than Dirk and always will be (4>0), but Dirk is having the better season this year.
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