Rank 'Em: 15 Best NBA Players

[Goran Dragic]

Right now Dirk is better than Duncan, career wise different story.

[badfish22]

Right now Dirk is better than Duncan, career wise different story.

obviously. No one thinks Dirk>Duncan career wise. Mavfan isn't like spurfan (lol Manu>dirk)

[ChrisRichards]

So far.

1. Lebron (Duh)
2. Kevin Durant
3. Melo
4. Dwight
5. Dirk
6. Bosh
7. Wade
8. Gasol
9. Kobe
10. Duncan
11. Nash
12. Deron Williams
13. Paul Pierce
14. Amare
15. Billups

[DAF86]

South Park doesn't harbor Nazis.

People in Argentina have noses.

[mystargtr34]

1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Durant
6. Carmelo
7. Duncan
8. Dirk
9. Pau
10. Yao
11. Bosh
12. Deron
13. Paul
14. Roy
15. Johnson

Probably shouldn't put Yao or Paul in because of injury .. But if they get backto ther old level that's where they would fit in.

[ChrisRichards]

1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Durant
6. Carmelo
7. Duncan
8. Dirk
9. Pau
10. Yao
11. Bosh
12. Deron
13. Paul
14. Roy
15. Johnson

Probably shouldn't put Yao or Paul in because of injury .. But if they get backto ther old level that's where they would fit in.

[mystargtr34]

Well a healthy Paul is probably a top 5 player but it's hard to put him there given he hasn't played much .. Same with Yao

[Killakobe81]

Tried to find a common opponent in the playoffs. It's not in the same post-season so there are other different factors involved like the health of each team and what not, but the Jazz faced the Spurs in the 2007 playoffs and lost in 5 games and the Hornets faced the Spurs in the 2008 playoffs and lost in 7 games. Here are their respective basic stats against a common opponent only one year removed:

Deron Williams
25.8 PPG
7.8 APG
3.6 RPG
3.2 TO
52.7% FG

Chris Paul
23.7 PPG
10.7 APG
4.4 RPG
2.3 TO
57.4% FG

Chris Paul played better and his team won more games. I mean, if you want to look at a small sample like head-to-head match-ups, this is just as fair to look at when they're playing in the post-season (what matters to you more) and against a common (albeit not exactly the same) opponent.

These numbers are inflated because in the 1st round C3p plays well (except) last year ...plus Dwill has been in the playoffs more he has a WCF trip C3p does not ...

Look not hating on C3p just WATCH he games ...again we will see. I had the same debates with folks when they propped up TMAC talked about his stats and his playoff stats etc.

Look at how Dwill impacts the game if you go buy just PER and numbers C3p maybe even better than Magic ...but he's not. he is just NOT CLEARLY better than Dwill either ...and your stats dont prove that. but this matter won't be settled now. Give it 5 years Jam I will be proven right. Id say they are pretty even now you can argue either guy IMHO but I think Dwill will prove to be better and C3p will be the tMAC of PG's

[Killakobe81]

Tried to find a common opponent in the playoffs. It's not in the same post-season so there are other different factors involved like the health of each team and what not, but the Jazz faced the Spurs in the 2007 playoffs and lost in 5 games and the Hornets faced the Spurs in the 2008 playoffs and lost in 7 games. Here are their respective basic stats against a common opponent only one year removed:

Deron Williams
25.8 PPG
7.8 APG
3.6 RPG
3.2 TO
52.7% FG

Chris Paul
23.7 PPG
10.7 APG
4.4 RPG
2.3 TO
57.4% FG

Chris Paul played better and his team won more games. I mean, if you want to look at a small sample like head-to-head match-ups, this is just as fair to look at when they're playing in the post-season (what matters to you more) and against a common (albeit not exactly the same) opponent.

EVEN better pull up the last two SERIES C3p was in (Denver and Spurs) vs. Dwill vs. Dwill (Lakers and Lakers)

Compare those stats love to see how those played out ...

[JamStone]

These numbers are inflated because in the 1st round C3p plays well (except) last year ...plus Dwill has been in the playoffs more he has a WCF trip C3p does not ...

Those were playoff statistics of each of those players against the San Antonio Spurs, a common opponent, not their career playoff stats. CP3 and the Hornets faced the Spurs in 2008 in the second round, not the first round. Those numbers aren't "inflated because of the 1st round."

Look not hating on C3p just WATCH he games ...again we will see. I had the same debates with folks when they propped up TMAC talked about his stats and his playoff stats etc.

Look at how Dwill impacts the game if you go buy just PER and numbers C3p maybe even better than Magic ...but he's not. he is just NOT CLEARLY better than Dwill either ...and your stats dont prove that. but this matter won't be settled now. Give it 5 years Jam I will be proven right. Id say they are pretty even now you can argue either guy IMHO but I think Dwill will prove to be better and C3p will be the tMAC of PG's

The stats actually do prove that. It's not by a huge margin, but it's clear. Against a common opponent in the playoffs (which matters more to you), CP3 put up clearly better numbers and his team won more games against that common opponent. It is clear. Not a huge difference, but clear.

EVEN better pull up the last two SERIES C3p was in (Denver and Spurs) vs. Dwill vs. Dwill (Lakers and Lakers)

Compare those stats love to see how those played out ...

Sure, I can do that. Deron has better numbers than his stats against the Spurs. But it doesn't really help prove your point, and I'll tell you why after I post the numbers.

CP3 against Denver and San Antonio in the playoffs:
20.8 PPG
10.6 APG
4.4 RPG
3.3 TO
51.1% FG

Deron Williams against the Lakers in the playoffs (2 series):
21.4 PPG
11.2 APG
3.8 RPG
3.5 APG
44.1% FG

So there you go. Deron has slightly better scoring numbers, a fraction better assist numbers. So, now you can go on and claim that it's not clear between the two of them. But, I'll say what you said earlier, "watch the games." Look deeper into the stats. There's a reason why I chose a common playoff opponent in the Spurs to compare stats. Derek Fisher has become a defensive liability. The one time really rock solid defender has become one of the worst defensive point guards in the league over the last couple years. While Deron Williams had to match-up against him, CP3 was matched up against Billups (not a great defender but certainly better than Fisher at this point) and Tony Parker (who at least as speed, quickness, and athleticism to match).

You take that into account, plus the fact that Deron Williams had an unbelievable series against the Lakers while CP3 had one of the worst couple games he could have against Denver, and the numbers are still similar tells you something. All the stats have a negligible difference except FG%.

Again, that's why I chose a common opponent to compare stats.

Like I said, it's not by a huge margin. The two players are close but I still believe it's clear that CP3 is a better player. It's fine if you believe different. There's an argument that there isn't a difference. But, on the flipside, I think there's legitimate evidence that CP3 is "clearly" the better player.

[Goran Dragic]

People in Argentina have noses.

Just make sure they aren't big noses. Nazis have a history of engineering mass genocides involving people with big noses. Heck I'm surprised Ginobili hasn't been gassed yet.

[redzero]

Okay, what the is a C3p?

[Killakobe81]

Those were playoff statistics of each of those players against the San Antonio Spurs, a common opponent, not their career playoff stats. CP3 and the Hornets faced the Spurs in 2008 in the second round, not the first round. Those numbers aren't "inflated because of the 1st round."




The stats actually do prove that. It's not by a huge margin, but it's clear. Against a common opponent in the playoffs (which matters more to you), CP3 put up clearly better numbers and his team won more games against that common opponent. It is clear. Not a huge difference, but clear.




Sure, I can do that. Deron has better numbers than his stats against the Spurs. But it doesn't really help prove your point, and I'll tell you why after I post the numbers.

CP3 against Denver and San Antonio in the playoffs:
20.8 PPG
10.6 APG
4.4 RPG
3.3 TO
51.1% FG

Deron Williams against the Lakers in the playoffs (2 series):
21.4 PPG
11.2 APG
3.8 RPG
3.5 APG
44.1% FG

So there you go. Deron has slightly better scoring numbers, a fraction better assist numbers. So, now you can go on and claim that it's not clear between the two of them. But, I'll say what you said earlier, "watch the games." Look deeper into the stats. There's a reason why I chose a common playoff opponent in the Spurs to compare stats. Derek Fisher has become a defensive liability. The one time really rock solid defender has become one of the worst defensive point guards in the league over the last couple years. While Deron Williams had to match-up against him, CP3 was matched up against Billups (not a great defender but certainly better than Fisher at this point) and Tony Parker (who at least as speed, quickness, and athleticism to match).

You take that into account, plus the fact that Deron Williams had an unbelievable series against the Lakers while CP3 had one of the worst couple games he could have against Denver, and the numbers are still similar tells you something. All the stats have a negligible difference except FG%.

Again, that's why I chose a common opponent to compare stats.

Like I said, it's not by a huge margin. The two players are close but I still believe it's clear that CP3 is a better player. It's fine if you believe different. There's an argument that there isn't a difference. But, on the flipside, I think there's legitimate evidence that CP3 is "clearly" the better player.

Solid analysis ...but watch the games. You said Billups matched up with C3P but if you watched the games CPR C3PO whatever ... CP3 was matched up with Dontay jones (the better defender) and Dwill at times was guarded by Kobe also the better defender you cant just pull stats because they alone along with a "starting lineup" can not tell you how the game played out. And yet even still with the stats beng so close as you say in those two series you have Many utah fans wishing others had stepped up while many point to C3p shrinking to end BOTH of those series ...especially the one against the Spurs when Pargo had to carry them late ....

Again i appreciate good debates. And had I not saw both series in question or just saw the Destruction CP3 laid on Dallas or NONE of the head2head matchups ...between the two ...i might of been swayed i respect your posts a lot..but we have to agree to disagree.

Chuck though a moron at times ...said last night he loves c3p but he thinks derron is the best PG ...my original point echoes this.

EVEN despite MY OWN prefference my isue was the media acting that is was clear who is better and I STILL don't believe it is clear either way ...
but again time will tell.
Jamstone I was hoping cp3 could be healthy and they could settle it in a playoff series ...until then let's put this on hold. I think i will be proven right but if not, Ill be the first to come on here and admit I was wrong.

Hope you will do the same ....

[picc84]

Jones guarded CP3 but Kobe was guarding Brewer most of the time. Deron was working against PG's almost exclusively.

[Killakobe81]

Jones guarded CP3 but Kobe was guarding Brewer most of the time. Deron was working against PG's almost exclusively.

I agree MOST of the time point being you cant look at who started to determine what the matchup were ...but thanks.