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lol delusional hornet fan, defense wins games when paired with near equal offense. Do the ing math...
He played better last year than he did two years ago. That's not even disputable.
lol delusional hornet fan, defense wins games when paired with near equal offense. Do the ing math...
What? Oh, you're still talking about Paul being a worse defender than Williams, even though I just showed you that was bull .
How the did you do that? Steals don't equal better defense and neither do blocks...ask Nuggets fans about Camby.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...2&postcount=24How the did you do that? Steals don't equal better defense and neither do blocks...ask Nuggets fans about Camby.
This is the point where you say statistics don't matter.
This is the part where I say you couldn't even post a direct link to what you're trying to ing prove. Everyone knows when it counts D-Will is the better defender, look up playoff scenarios and clutch time lock downs then report back.
LOL Hornets without Cp3 arent that much worse..Utah without Deron suck balls. I still think Cp3 is one of the best in the league but if I was building a team right now I would choose D-Will cuz hes a tank, doesnt flop every other play, & doesnt on the court.
This is the part where I say you couldn't even post a direct link to what you're trying to ing prove. Everyone knows when it counts D-Will is the better defender, look up playoff scenarios and clutch time lock downs then report back.
Of course.
This is how every single Paul-Williams argument goes down:
Williams supporter:The Paul-Williams comparison is closer than you think.
Me: No, it isn't. Paul has clearly outplayed Williams for their entire careers.
Supporter: Well, Williams is a better shooter/defender/leader/<insert whatever bull these morons regurgitate every time>
Me: No, he isn't. Here's statistical data that proves that Paul is superior in <insert category here>.
Supporter: Statistics don't matter. If you just watch them play, you will see that Williams is clearly superior.
Too predictable.
YES, yes, yes! I think in MOST other offenses Dwill is the better fit but if I had Dwight, Amare or Lebron to pass to I would choose Paul over Dwill the pick n roll lob Paul has mastered but his big man suck at it now ...
C3P has been the more heralded player ...in college, HS and the pros but yet in college and Pros Dwill has led his team further ...
There i no conclusive defensive statistical rating that holds water ...and I dont buy PER
Here is my take of this debate:
CP3 fan: ALL of the media says Paul is better ...
NBA fan (I hate Utah): The medis is dumb Nash won 2 MVP's
CP3 fan: He leads the NBA steals that means is a shutdown PG!!!
NBA fan: steals do not equal great defender I love Magic but he led the league in steals one year ...Larry hughes as well
CP3: the MVP was his he was robbed the league gave him a career achievement award!!!
NBA fan: You could of argued KG, Kobe, Lebron or Tim for MVP that year
CP3: he was ROY, ALL NBA, a many time all-star!!!
Now that SOME in the media have changed their tune:
Barkley doesnt know dyck
Jennings cant shoot so his opinion means nada
How can they forget about C3p just wait til he come back!!!
Head 2 head means nothing ... playoffs mean nothing either all we care about is REGULAR season success ...
HIS % is better so he is a better shooter much like Lebron is abtter SHOOTER cuz his % is higher than Kobe, durant and Melo ...
Yeah, right!
Of course.
This is how every single Paul-Williams argument goes down:
Williams supporter:The Paul-Williams comparison is closer than you think.
Me: No, it isn't. Paul has clearly outplayed Williams for their entire careers.
Supporter: Well, Williams is a better shooter/defender/leader/<insert whatever bull these morons regurgitate every time>
Me: No, he isn't. Here's statistical data that proves that Paul is superior in <insert category here>.
Supporter: Statistics don't matter. If you just watch them play, you will see that Williams is clearly superior.
Too predictable.this is basically how it goes everytime.
Jazzfan: Williams is a better scorer
Hornetfan: Paul averages more points
Jazzfan: YOU CAN'T JUDGE A SCORER SOLELY BY HOW MANY POINTS HE SCORES!!!!
Hornetfan: Paul shoots a higher percentage
Jazzfan: NONE OF THOSE STATS MATTER!!!
Deron is actually playing right now, whereas Paul is wearing a suit. Because of durability concerns (Paul missed time with an ankle problem earlier), Williams is having the better season. Paul can't help his team sitting on the bench.
You can also replace "Jazzfan" with Lakerfan, because everybody in Los Angeles fell in love with Williams after the back-to-back poundings the Lakers gave the Jazz.
Jazzfan: Williams is a better scorer
Hornetfan: Paul averages more points
Jazzfan: YOU CAN'T JUDGE A SCORER SOLELY BY HOW MANY POINTS HE SCORES!!!!
Hornetfan: Paul shoots a higher percentage
Jazzfan: NONE OF THOSE STATS MATTER!!!
First it was me.
Paul can put up much better stats, even defensive ones, but Williams is a player I'd rather have in my ballclub - 2 seasons ago, today and probably 2 years from now.
One side of the argument actually has stats and fact to back their side up.
The other side has to use phrases such as "I know I'd take Deron Williams on my ball club!" that really mean nothing but just sound cool.
Dude, that's all they ever say. Pry deeper and you'll find out that they never have any good reasons for picking Williams over Paul.
I've explained multiple times here why I prefer Williams:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...3&postcount=60
He offers better+more versatile defense and doesn't dominate/stop the ball so much on offense. I think Paul impact defensively is grossly oversold (and overstated by stats) and in fact negates part of his outstanding offensive contributions. I think the NOH style of play (with Paul and now with Collison) can deliver some wins but can be affected by personnel turmoil (see how much Paul's A/TO ratio suffered when Chandler went down) and doesn't offer enough versatility to win multiple 7 games series vs teams of equal quality.
Seriously, how many more threads of Deron vs. Chris are we going to have?
Of course, there's no proof you have to back up your claim. We're off to a great start already.
Yeah, because Paul is preventing West, Stojakovic and Okafor from being the great playmakers that they are.and doesn't dominate/stop the ball so much on offense.
Of course, you offer no proof--just like every other person who prefers Williams.I think Paul impact defensively is grossly oversold (and overstated by stats) and in fact negates part of his outstanding offensive contributions.
2008-2009I think the NOH style of play (with Paul and now with Collison) can deliver some wins but can be affected by personnel turmoil (see how much Paul's A/TO ratio suffered when Chandler went down)
CP3: 3.73 A/TO
D-Will: 3.18 A/TO
2009-10
CP3: 4.42 A/TO
D-Will: 3.01 A/TO
Oh look! Not only does Paul have a better assist to turnover ratio, your claim that it was dependent on Chandler is also hilariously wrong, because it went up .71.
Really? And you know that Williams offers more versatility how? Paul and the Hornets took the Spurs to seven games. Williams and the Jazz only lasted five.and doesn't offer enough versatility to win multiple 7 games series vs teams of equal quality.
Williams supporters showing their lack of knowledge on both players like they're supposed to. No surprises here.
I dont always agree with this guy but he (like me) has been saying this for 2 years it's just taking longer for more folks to join the club.
Dragic it's like you and a few others knocking Nash ...it started as a whisper. Now the sound is getting louder.
I do NOT HATE Paul. and I do agre he has slightly better stats ...but i guess i prefer winning ...how stupid of me.
Fact: His team has gone farther in BOTH college and the PROS ....that to me balances out the stats but whatever ...you stat nerds want choose Paul. he is great we will see at the end of this decade who was better ...
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What?! Did you look down at you penis?
All jokes aside ...I do commend you for calling out your own team Dragic. I hate sychophants ...
thing that is funny to me most. Some of the guys that argue Kobe is a shot happy stat use stats to argue that CP3 is better ... when all i care about are wins said tat many times.
If someone tells me stast show Stocktonwas BETTER than Isiah I would make the same arguments I make now ...for DWILL EXCEPT I hate midget PG's
I also have admitted that on here as well. and needs to be put as a disclaimer I grew up on Magic so I always preferred bigger PG's (Magic, Kidd, Rose even Billups) over the Kj's, Price, Stockton etc.
Maybe that does lou my judgement abit ...but i sTILL prefer Dwill ...
Williams had to go through the Rockets and Warriors before losing to the Spurs in five. Paul faced the Spurs earlier and lost in seven.
Jamstone explained it far better than I have. What is your point of bringing this up if you know that Paul performed better in the playoffs?
I was laughing at redzero owning the fat drunk Celtics fan.
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