LMAO Lakers

[picc84]

Including guys like Daniel Gibson who is absolutely terrible along with a guy like Hickson who won't play does not change the fact that it is all about the best 5-6 players. The percentage of weight of responsibility that lies on those players is far greater than the next 2-3 guys.

Thats not a fact.

Neither is "Hickson won't play".

Try again.

[picc84]

What are you talking about? I said that Dice was on the bench. You said everyone outside of Manu sucks and you specifically referenced Dice's numbers. I posted Andy's numbers which really aren't much better as a basis of comparison to show you how hypocritical it is to bring numbers into it in that regard.

If you are going to dog Dice's numbers and ignore his "intangibles", then Andy's numbers need to be scrutinized as well because they aren't really much better.

Had nothing to do with defense and everything to do with you bringing up offensive numbers as a reference to why Dice "sucks".

Fair enough.

[DPG21920]

Thats not a fact.

Neither is "Hickson won't play".

Try again.

It is a fact that the teams best 5-6 players are the most important. So Hickson is going to play over Andy/Shaq/Jamison/Z?

Hickson played the least amount of minutes out of Andy/Shaq/Hickson before the trade. His minutes are not going up with Jamison now on the team.

[picc84]

So Shaq & Jamison are better defensively than Bynum & Pau? Mo Williams is a good defender? Odom and Artest and Kobe are not good defenders?

Varejao is better defensively than anyone on the Lakers. Shaq is better defensively than Bynum. Lebron, West, and Parker as a defensive perimeter is at least equal to LA's.

[Killakobe81]

Conrats Bobcats ...they own the Lakers lately ...

[picc84]

It is a fact that the teams best 5-6 players are the most important.

It is not a fact that "IT IS ALL ABOUT THE 5-6 BEST PLAYERS", which is what you said.

No. Sorry.

So Hickson is going to play over Andy/Shaq/Jamison/Z?

Funny how you just unintentionally made a point about how deep and good the Cavs frontcourt rotation is.

But we're the stacked one.

Right.

[j.dizzle]

LOL Lakers are lazy as & dont think playing hard every night is important. No big deal..They lost in Mia, Charlotte, & Orl last year too..One thing that bothers me though is Gasol opening his mouth way too much lmao that fool is annoying as ..One game he says "We're the best team" & the next game he says "We're not confident in what we're doing" or "I need more touches" etc hahaha...Euro's are so god damn feminine hahahaa

[spursfan1000]

lol a lakers fan makin fun of his own team, this is priceless.

[badfish22]

at Kobefan saying their team isn't stacked.

They have the best record in the conference and won the Championship last year.


They have to be stacked to do that

[picc84]

Also its tough for me swallow your "bench doesn't matter" argument when we lost the 2008 finals in large part due to Boston's bench completely dominating ours. Leon Powe, James Posey, and Eddie House were huge parts of the Celtics beating us. But according to your crackpot theories, they were insignificant. FOH.

[djohn2oo8]

LOL Lakers are lazy as & dont think playing hard every night is important. No big deal..They lost in Mia, Charlotte, & Orl last year too..One thing that bothers me though is Gasol opening his mouth way too much lmao that fool is annoying as ..One game he says "We're the best team" & the next game he says "We're not confident in what we're doing" or "I need more touches" etc hahaha...Euro's are so god damn feminine hahahaa

If they can't turn it on now, how can they do it come the playoffs? They did it last year, but this year is different. I think their most dangerous compe ion could come from the 8th seed, if the Lakers don't want to take them seriously. As long as the 8th seed is equipped with capable big men, then it might be an entertaining series

[picc84]

at Kobefan saying their team isn't stacked.

Who said that?

[djohn2oo8]

Conrats Bobcats ...they own the Lakers lately ...

In the words of Phil Jackson: "That's just bad karma"

[djohn2oo8]

Who said that?

read the last couple of pages, u'll see

[badfish22]

But we're the stacked one.

Right.

[picc84]

I've agreed that the Lakers are stacked numerous times in this thread.

[badfish22]

guys keep saying this, as if repeating it over and over makes it true.

[j.dizzle]

If they can't turn it on now, how can they do it come the playoffs? They did it last year, but this year is different. I think their most dangerous compe ion could come from the 8th seed, if the Lakers don't want to take them seriously. As long as the 8th seed is equipped with capable big men, then it might be an entertaining series

Son, we'll just wait & see I guess..A Rocket team with a 6 foot 8 center took them to 7 games last season hahaha thats just the makeup of this team..They look like champs one game then lose by 15-20 the next..Dont make sense but I'm used to that over the years. Its the bandwagon fans that piss me..They wanna slit their wrists after every loss for some reason haha.

[picc84]

Right.

[DPG21920]

Varejao is better defensively than anyone on the Lakers. Shaq is better defensively than Bynum. Lebron, West, and Parker as a defensive perimeter is at least equal to LA's.

Well this is where our major disconnect is I guess. I think that Bynum/Pau/Odom is better defensively than Andy/Shaq/Jamison. Then Lebron/Parker/West is better than Kobe/Artest/Fisher, but the Lakers perimeter defense is good, hence the low FG% and 3PT%.

[DPG21920]

It is not a fact that "IT IS ALL ABOUT THE 5-6 BEST PLAYERS", which is what you said.

No. Sorry.



Funny how you just unintentionally made a point about how deep and good the Cavs frontcourt rotation is.

But we're the stacked one.

Right.

Guy, you are just arguing semantics now. Saying "it is all about the 5-6 best players" & saying "the 5-6 best players are the most important" is very much the same thing if you are not anal.

My point has remained consistent. When it comes down to it, the best players win you championships. Yes, role players play a pivotal role, but they are only able to do so when put in a position to win by the best players. Lakers have the best top 6 in the league and that is what makes the difference the in the vast majority of situations.

Just because the Mike Brown chooses to play Big Z & Shaq over Hickson does not mean they are more "stacked" up front than LA. The players that are going to play are Anderson/Shaq/Jamison. Bringing Hickson into the equation is a moot point is all.

[DPG21920]

I get your point about it not being ridiculously in LA's favor, but I still think it is in favor of them with regards talent. The Cavs are close enough, that if LA is not able to pick it up, they will lose.

[picc84]

Well this is where our major disconnect is I guess. I think that Bynum/Pau/Odom is better defensively than Andy/Shaq/Jamison. Then Lebron/Parker/West is better than Kobe/Artest/Fisher, but the Lakers perimeter defense is good, hence the low FG% and 3PT%.

I can understand where that comes from. But again, I have to bring up the overration. Bynum is not much better on defense than Jamison right now. You would THINK he would be, as tall and big as he is, but thats what makes it all the more pathetic. When he leaves, the defense improves.

Gasol is underrated defensively, but he is not much better than Shaq on this aspect, if at all. His PnR defense is better, obviously, but Shaq defends the post and alters shots better. Odom is also underrated defensively, but obviously he's still not as good as Varejao.

Bynum slightly > Jamison
Gasol = Shaq
Varejao >>> Odom

[picc84]

Guy, you are just arguing semantics now. Saying "it is all about the 5-6 best players" & saying "the 5-6 best players are the most important" is very much the same thing if you are not anal.

Its not semantics. The 5-6 best players being the most important is very different than them being the ONLY important players, which is what you first said. That is a huge deal. Benches play critical roles in les all the time and you completely dismissed them with your comment.

My point has remained consistent. When it comes down to it, the best players win you championships. Yes, role players play a pivotal role, but they are only able to do so when put in a position to win by the best players. Lakers have the best top 6 in the league and that is what makes the difference the in the vast majority of situations.

Actually, when the top 5-6 are comparable, which they are in this situation, its the bench which makes the difference in the vast majority of situations. How you can not know that I don't understand.

Just because the Mike Brown chooses to play Big Z & Shaq over Hickson does not mean they are more "stacked" up front than LA. The players that are going to play are Anderson/Shaq/Jamison. Bringing Hickson into the equation is a moot point is all.

Hickson will play in the playoffs and he will contribute. He is a very good player. There is a reason Phx was considering trading Stoudemire for him. Ask any Cavs fan and they will tell you. You are just mistaken on this front.

[DPG21920]

I disagree with pretty much everything you say on the subject, but I am tired of debating it.

JJ Hickson was behind Big Z who is old and slow and that was before the Jamison trade. There is no minutes for him. He will be a non factor. You are overrating him badly and the Suns did not trade Amare for him because they are not idiots.