Doing and Saying the Right Thing in the Press.

[ohmwrecker]

Still waiting on the link to the story that the Spurs turned down a trade for Tyrus Thomas.

Well, I'm doubtful that the Spurs "turned down" that trade if it was ever on the table to begin with. It's obvious that we didn't have the adequate pieces to get a deal done. It doesn't matter now anyway.
This is the team we have and we just have to maximize this potential and succeed or fail with it. The time for crying over what could've been is over. It's all or nothing now.

[SequSpur]

Still waiting on the link to the story that the Spurs turned down a trade for Tyrus Thomas.

No one wants to help the spurs, no free agent wants to come and play for the spurs....

With the exception of Manu, Parker and Duncan, every player on the spurs sits in the doghouse, wonders, waits, chews and baskets in their depression that they are stuck here trying to figure out if they will ever have a chance to earn another dollar in the nba.....

but...finley should've stayed because that was the right thing to do....lmao...


Man...I like Mason..I think he should be in the main core lineup. Dude is the best shooter on the team, he is explosive, he can go on a 12-0 run by himself but yet he sits....

If I was him right now, I would ask for a release myself and move on with my year...The more he sits, the more his value diminishes, the less chance he can finish out his career on an extended contract....

I don't get it, this dude won more games in the last 2nd than any spur in what 5 years?

He should be able to survive the peaks and valleys like the rest of the spurs...

This team has no chemistry, no direction, and really no hope.

Sucks.

[TJastal]

Still waiting on the link to the story that the Spurs turned down a trade for Tyrus Thomas.

That's the crux of the problem they sit with in hand hoping some team is going to just going to magically make them an offer they can't refuse instead of aggressively pursuing the pieces they need and making it happen.

[TJastal]

I just don't get how the spurs dropped the ball here.

Chicago needs shooters so a package of Roger Mason and Bonner, plus a 1st rounder (that is looking like a sure 16th-20th pick atm) would have been more than enough to swing this deal in the spurs' favor.

Certainly that is a more attractive package for the bulls than Acie Law, Flip Murray and a protected 1st rounder (that most likely they won't get if the bobcats make the playoffs which is looking likely.)

[TJastal]

correction to last post: If the bobcats make the playoffs CHI would get a similar pick to what the spurs, I got confused for a sec :p

So the spurs make their 1st rounder protected as well and CHI still does this deal because the spurs are much more likely to make the playoffs and secure the bulls' pick

[anakha]

I just don't get how the spurs dropped the ball here.

Chicago needs shooters so a package of Roger Mason and Bonner, plus a 1st rounder (that is looking like a sure 16th-20th pick atm) would have been more than enough to swing this deal in the spurs' favor.

Certainly that is a more attractive package for the bulls than Acie Law, Flip Murray and a protected 1st rounder (that most likely they won't get if the bobcats make the playoffs which is looking likely.)

How do you know that that offer wasn't on the table?

You're making way too big presumptions about both teams in your zeal to discredit the Spurs FO.

[TJastal]

How do you know that that offer wasn't on the table?

You're making way too big presumptions about both teams in your zeal to discredit the Spurs FO.

I have a pretty good idea this deal wasn't on the table because A)it didn't happen and B)Popovich wouldn't give up his favorite floor spacer in Bonner.

Roger Mason > Flip Murray and Bonner > Acie Law and a spurs protected 1st rounder > bobcat protected 1st rounder. There really isn't much to debate here, the deal was obviously NOT on the table.

As mentioned before CHI needs perimeter shooting badly, and they are already well stocked with undersized point/combo guards (with Pargo, Heinrich and Rose) so most likely Law and Murray are going to be gone after this year and were only desired for their expiring contracts.

Mason and Bonner also are expiring contracts and actually would have filled some team needs for now and the future.

[anakha]

The only 'hard' evidence you have here is that no deal happened.

Sure, the Bulls might very well have that need (although I disagree - they need post scoring more than they do shooters IMO), but unless you actually had insider info, you wouldn't know if any of the following actually happened:

A) an offer was actually tendered using the Spurs players you mentioned (and was then rejected by the Bulls);
B) an offer was made using different package of Spurs players which was also rejected;
C) no offer was actually made.

Unless you actually present hard evidence that B) or C) actually happened, you come across as yet another poster presenting his opinion as fact.

[TJastal]

The only 'hard' evidence you have here is that no deal happened.

Sure, the Bulls might very well have that need (although I disagree - they need post scoring more than they do shooters IMO), but unless you actually had insider info, you wouldn't know if any of the following actually happened:

A) an offer was actually tendered using the Spurs players you mentioned (and was then rejected by the Bulls);
B) an offer was made using different package of Spurs players which was also rejected;
C) no offer was actually made.

Unless you actually present hard evidence that B) or C) actually happened, you come across as yet another poster presenting his opinion as fact.

If the bulls need post scoring the most as you say, then the spurs should have offered Splitter instead of the 1st rounder. There is usually an alternative if you think hard enough.

I would be shocked if the spurs did anything more than call the bulls F.O. and ask about Thomas, much less make an offer of substance.

If an offer was tendered like you seem to think obviously it wasn't good enough for the bulls. And I would really wonder what craptastic menagerie of junk was offered that couldn't beat Acie Law, Flip Murray and a bobcat 1st round protected.

Whatever was offered or not offered, the result is the spurs didn't get it done and consequently still have little or no rim protection since they graciously gave away the only guy that provided that. That in and of itself should tell you straightaway there was never an offer made for Thomas, because obviously POop expects Duncan to once again man the paint all by his lonesome.

Keep making excuses, Popsucker.

[Obstructed_View]

why? i just look at the box score afterwards.

Look for "points in the paint" and "opponent field goal percentage".

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, the Tyrus Thomas alternate reality timeline is back.

What's our record with him now?

[anakha]

If the bulls need post scoring the most as you say, then the spurs should have offered Splitter instead of the 1st rounder. There is usually an alternative if you think hard enough.

Who's to say that offer was made or wasn't made involving Splitter? Neither you nor I have any information on that.

I would be shocked if the spurs did anything more than call the bulls F.O. and ask about Thomas, much less make an offer of substance.

If an offer was tendered like you seem to think obviously it wasn't good enough for the bulls. And I would really wonder what craptastic menagerie of junk was offered that couldn't beat Acie Law, Flip Murray and a bobcat 1st round protected.

I am not saying an offer was or wasn't made because I don't have any information saying one or the other. You, on the other hand, have the same amount of information on your hands (namely none) and are already jumping to conclusions based on no evidence.

I'll happily agree with your take as long as you can actually show me evidence that no offer was made for Thomas. And I'm still waiting for that evidence.

Whatever was offered or not offered, the result is the spurs didn't get it done and consequently still have little or no rim protection since they graciously gave away the only guy that provided that. That in and of itself should tell you straightaway there was never an offer made for Thomas, because obviously POop expects Duncan to once again man the paint all by his lonesome.

SO your argument is that because the Spurs need interior defense and no trade was made involving Thomas, they never made an offer for him? Where's the logic in that?

Keep making excuses, Popsucker.

at you reverting back to 'anybody who disagrees with me is a Popsucker'.

Your entire argument has revolved around 'no deal = no good offer was ever tendered'. I'm pointing put the stupidity in that logic in the absence of any information any one of us has on this.

But go ahead, hide behind your presumptions and uninformed opinions. There's no further need to prove how moronic they are.

[TJastal]

Who's to say that offer was made or wasn't made involving Splitter? Neither you nor I have any information on that.



I am not saying an offer was or wasn't made because I don't have any information saying one or the other. You, on the other hand, have the same amount of information on your hands (namely none) and are already jumping to conclusions based on no evidence.

I'll happily agree with your take as long as you can actually show me evidence that no offer was made for Thomas. And I'm still waiting for that evidence.



SO your argument is that because the Spurs need interior defense and no trade was made involving Thomas, they never made an offer for him? Where's the logic in that?



at you reverting back to 'anybody who disagrees with me is a Popsucker'.

Your entire argument has revolved around 'no deal = no good offer was ever tendered'. I'm pointing put the stupidity in that logic in the absence of any information any one of us has on this.

But go ahead, hide behind your presumptions and uninformed opinions. There's no further need to prove how moronic they are.

Ok, fine, you keep believing the spurs did everything in their power to get a deal done but for some crazy reason the bulls inexplicably decided to reject all their solid offers in lieu of the awesome deal made by Larry Brown.

But I'm dying to know how you justify POop giving away the teams' best shotblocking presence away for nothing given the teams' dire needs in that area and McDyess hobbled. Now that you can't just dismiss as a "presumptious" and "uninformed" opinion.

[anakha]

Ok, fine, you keep believing the spurs did everything in their power to get a deal done but for some crazy reason the bulls inexplicably decided to reject all their solid offers in lieu of the awesome deal made by Larry Brown.

I am not saying an offer was or wasn't made because I don't have any information saying one or the other. You, on the other hand, have the same amount of information on your hands (namely none) and are already jumping to conclusions based on no evidence.

Do I have to keep repeating myself before you get it?

But I'm dying to know how you justify POop giving away the teams' best shotblocking presence away for nothing given the teams' dire needs in that area and McDyess hobbled. Now that you can't just dismiss as a "presumptious" and "uninformed" opinion.

I didn't agree with that decision then and I don't agree with it now.

Still doesn't make your argument on Thomas in the face of no evidence any less re ed.

[TJastal]

Do I have to keep repeating myself before you get it?



I didn't agree with that decision then and I don't agree with it now.

Still doesn't make your argument on Thomas in the face of no evidence any less re ed.

Your information is right in front of your nose: that being the spurs ultimately didn't get a deal done and the bulls accepted to what basically amounts to scraps: a couple of scrubs and a pick. That's enough "evidence" to start drawing some rough conclusions about what the spurs F.O. was really doing, which was probably close to "nothing".

That your acting like we all are completely in the dark about what went on disingenous at best. Maybe we'll never know exactly why a deal couldn't be reached but you don't have to pretend your a supreme court justice with your damn "I demand proof!!" axiom.

[exstatic]

I'm watching the bobcat/laker game from last night, and I gotta say that Tyrus Thomas would have filled this need for the spurs with flying colors. It's only halftime and he's already harrassed Odom into a miserable shooting % (including two missed point blank layups) and done some scoring of his own on a variety of jumpers, putbacks, and fast break dunks.

Just a shame the spurs didn't make an effort on this kid.

Jsut as most of us expected.



It's extremely frustrating because it's not like this isn't a old story with the Spurs. There's been a gaping hole at that position for a while now. A hole that even the beastly feats of Blair cannot resolve. He simply doesn't have the length.

Now picture a tandem of Blair/Thomas in relief of Duncan and Dice.

Yup I think Thomas would have made a very nice duo with Blair and helped w/ the defense and esp by erasing a ton of Blair's mistakes in that 2nd unit. Bonner really can't, the most he'll do is stand with arms extended offering little resistance, and then gets called for a foul 90% of the time to boot.

Bulls were able to land him with a protected 1st round pick, Acie Law & Flip Murray. I think the spurs could have easily beaten that offer with a
1st round pick (unprotected however), and Roger Mason.

Would have hated to lose Mason, but its clear Pop has gone in a different direction and the writing is on the wall for his tenure as a spur.

God, looking over the bobcats roster they have a so loaded with athleticism and shot blocking in the frontcourt its not even funny. Thomas, Diaw, Chandler, Nazr, and now Ratliff while the spurs are so short handed in that category its just ludicrous.

The obvious deficiencies the Spurs have in that area is the "elephant in the room" with this team and have been ever since they shipped Rasho out of town. Again, this isn't and has not been a one-year problem. Compound that with Pop's annual fascination with "small ball" and I'm almost starting to wonder whether the coaching staff either doesn't know or doesn't care.

Get a room.

[ChumpDumper]

No . They need to get together and write a novel about how the fantasy Tyrus trade brought a championship to the Spurs. What am I saying -- they already are ("Ooh, Tyrus would have blocked that one!").

It simply appears the Spurs didn't want any additional salary going into the offseason. If the fantasy GMs have any evidence to the contrary since they claim to not be in the dark, they should let us all know their insider information.

[TJastal]

Hey its the butthurt boys .. hey guys wassup

[anakha]

Your information is right in front of your nose: that being the spurs ultimately didn't get a deal done and the bulls accepted to what basically amounts to scraps: a couple of scrubs and a pick. That's enough "evidence" to start drawing some rough conclusions about what the spurs F.O. was really doing, which was probably close to "nothing".

That your acting like we all are completely in the dark about what went on disingenous at best. Maybe we'll never know exactly why a deal couldn't be reached but you don't have to pretend your a supreme court justice with your damn "I demand proof!!" axiom.

Your acting like you know what ultimately went down behind the scenes is no less disingenuous that whatever you're accusing me of.

And you're the one arguing that no deal was ever offered, while I've been saying this whole time that we have no way of finding out what went down unless we hear from people who have such info. The burden of proof is on you.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey its the butthurt boys .. hey guys wassup

Why would we be butthurt? You're the one whining nonstop about a trade that never had a chance of happening.

We're laughing at you.

[exstatic]

Hey its the butthurt boys .. hey guys wassup

Look in the mirror. NO ONE on the board, OK maybe sequ, is as butt hurt as you two.

[Obstructed_View]

Your information is right in front of your nose: that being the spurs ultimately didn't get a deal done and the bulls accepted to what basically amounts to scraps: a couple of scrubs and a pick. That's enough "evidence" to start drawing some rough conclusions about what the spurs F.O. was really doing, which was probably close to "nothing".

That your acting like we all are completely in the dark about what went on disingenous at best. Maybe we'll never know exactly why a deal couldn't be reached but you don't have to pretend your a supreme court justice with your damn "I demand proof!!" axiom.

I'm not sure why you think the Spurs would have been interested in a center when they let a healthy one go and won't play another that's known the system for four years.