Spurs need to give Antonio Daniels a call or find a point guard fast

[ChumpDumper]

seriously ANOTHER derailed Chump Dumpster thread in a WEEK?

The only one derailing it is you when you make it about me, cupcake.

We're talking about point guards the Spurs could sign. Completely on topic. It's in the thread le if you thought to read it.

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I will ask you again -- how many times have you seen Jerrells and Shakur play this season?

If they were good enough, they'd already be playing in the NBA. Maybe either is capable of being on an NBA teams roster, but I seriously doubt either ever becomes a full fledged (meaning in the league, not on 10 days) NBA player in their career. You act like one of these two could be a vital part of the future. Jerrells is already learning the system with the Toros, so that reason goes out the window. I'm fine with taking a flier on one of these types next season, but for now the Spurs need a proven player.

[ElNono]

Slim pickins for sure. Best to try and get a vet with some experience with Spurs. Daniels, Claxton and Vaughn are the only ones to fit the mode. We don't need another shooter, but rather a play maker where a guy like Brevin Knight might work.

Did Speedy retire?

[Flux451]

I am down for Vaughn. Sad as it sounds. But I guess I really don't know who is avail.

[ChumpDumper]

If they were good enough, they'd already be playing in the NBA. Maybe either is capable of being on an NBA teams roster, but I seriously doubt either ever becomes a full fledged (meaning in the league, not on 10 days) NBA player in their career. You act like one of these two could be a vital part of the future. Jerrells is already learning the system with the Toros, so that reason goes out the window. I'm fine with taking a flier on one of these types next season, but for now the Spurs need a proven player.

You didn't answer the question:

I will ask you again -- how many times have you seen Jerrells and Shakur play this season?

[TheProfessor]

I think signing some unproven player who's more than likely never going to be a full fledged NBA player is definitely waving a white flag.

Are you saying James or Daniels are NBA players at this point? They've got nothing left. If Manu is going to operate as the distributor, I'd rather have someone who can semi-competently guard the PG position alongside him.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you saying James or Daniels are NBA players at this point? They've got nothing left. If Manu is going to operate as the distributor, I'd rather have someone who can semi-competently guard the PG position alongside him.

That's the main reason I would give an edge to Shakur over Jerrells if they choose that route -- and probably Dontell Jefferson if he was healthy.

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You didn't answer the question:

You don't get it: I don't give a what either is doing in the D-League. I don't care if they're averaging 50/20/20, it makes no difference. This team needs a veteran who knows what the he's doing at this level, not some guy who's learning on the job.

Are you saying James or Daniels are NBA players at this point? They've got nothing left. If Manu is going to operate as the distributor, I'd rather have someone who can semi-competently guard the PG position alongside him.

No, I'm saying this isn't risk taking time. This team needs a body that can, but more importantly, Pop will play right now. I can't imagine him playing Jerrells or Shakur, so even if they were better than James currently, what's the point? They should sign James and the games he does play, pair him with Ginobili, let him assist him with the ball handling duties, then in the half court be a spot up three point shooter.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't get it: I don't give a what either is doing in the D-League. I don't care if they're averaging 50/20/20, it makes no difference. This team needs a veteran who knows what the he's doing at this level, not some guy who's learning on the job.

All you had to say is you haven't seen them play this season. It's no disgrace.

No, I'm saying this isn't risk taking time. This team needs a body that can, but more importantly, Pop will play right now. I can't imagine him playing Jerrells or Shakur, so even if they were better than James currently, what's the point?

You can't imagine their playing because you've never seen them play.

They should sign James and the games he does play, pair him with Ginobili, let him assist him with the ball handling duties, then in the half court be a spot up three point shooter.

That's fine. It's just as much of a losing proposition as any. If were going to lose anyway, let's lose old and slow!

[TheProfessor]

You don't get it: I don't give a what either is doing in the D-League. I don't care if they're averaging 50/20/20, it makes no difference. This team needs a veteran who knows what the he's doing at this level, not some guy who's learning on the job.



No, I'm saying this isn't risk taking time. This team needs a body that can, but more importantly, Pop will play right now. I can't imagine him playing Jerrells or Shakur, so even if they were better than James currently, what's the point? They should sign James and the games he does play, pair him with Ginobili, let him assist him with the ball handling duties, then in the half court be a spot up three point shooter.

I really don't see how giving Mike James playing time is that much better, or that Pop would put him anywhere but firmly at the end of the bench.

[ChumpDumper]

I really don't see how giving Mike James playing time is that much better, or that Pop would put him anywhere but firmly at the end of the bench.

Yeah, if anyone's just going to be out there shooting threes while Manu handles the ball, it will be Mason.

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Until you tell him that you've never seen the d league guys this nut wont stop the back and fourth no matter how valid your points are... You stepped into a Land Mind of psychosis ...

This is hilarious.

All you had to say is you haven't seen them play this season. It's no disgrace.

You can't imagine their playing because you've never seen them play.

That's fine. It's just as much of a losing proposition as any. If were going to lose anyway, let's lose old and slow!

No, but what is a disgrace is you acting holier than thou over the fact that you're an avid D-League follower. There's no shame in watching the games, but bragging about it? Wow.

Given the situation (I'm not repeating it all, you know it and if you don't, re-read my posts), I'd be stunned if Pop played either. This is a coach who inherently favors veterans over young players to begin with. You think in this situation he's playing a young player over a veteran? I don't see it.

Why? Because you're obsessed with the D-League? Get over it. James is the best veteran option available and the situation clearly calls for a veteran. Who gives a what his birth date says? We're talking about the minimum for the remainder of the season and a 10-15 mpg role say, one out of every two games.

[ss1986v2]

james wouldnt see minute one on the floor. pop would roll with mason before james ever saw the floor.

[TheProfessor]

This is hilarious.



No, but what is a disgrace is you acting holier than thou over the fact that you're an avid D-League follower. There's no shame in watching the games, but bragging about it? Wow.

Given the situation (I'm not repeating it all, you know it and if you don't, re-read my posts), I'd be stunned if Pop played either. This is a coach who inherently favors veterans over young players to begin with. You think in this situation he's playing a young player over a veteran? I don't see it.

Why? Because you're obsessed with the D-League? Get over it. James is the best veteran option available and the situation clearly calls for a veteran. Who gives a what his birth date says? We're talking about the minimum for the remainder of the season and a 10-15 mpg role say, one out of every two games.

I don't think you have to be obsessed with the D-League to know that Mike James isn't any kind of option for this team. He can't defend, he can't distribute, he can't shoot (anymore). Plenty of other teams have made call-ups from the D-League, this isn't exactly a far-out suggestion, regardless of who makes it. Whoever gets brought up will be strictly insurance anyway, so who cares if Pop isn't playing them. Still better than the rotting corpse of Mike James.

[ChumpDumper]

This is hilarious.

Eh. he always wants to make threads about me.

No, but what is a disgrace is you acting holier than thou over the fact that you're an avid D-League follower. There's no shame in watching the games, but bragging about it? Wow.

Hey, I've seen these guys play. You haven't. You simply don't know anything about these guys, but you are posting like you do.

Given the situation (I'm not repeating it all, you know it and if you don't, re-read my posts), I'd be stunned if Pop played either. This is a coach who inherently favors veterans over young players to begin with. You think in this situation he's playing a young player over a veteran? I don't see it.

I said the same thing genius -- I also said he won't play a guy like James over Mason either. That's precisely why I don't want some old guy with no legs and no future with the team.

Why? Because you're obsessed with the D-League? Get over it. James is the best veteran option available and the situation clearly calls for a veteran.

Not at all. I merely stated that there are options other than Mike James. Someone asked me who could be called up. Sorry I had an opinion.

Who gives a what his birth date says? We're talking about the minimum for the remainder of the season and a 10-15 mpg role say, one out of every two games.

We're talking about a guy who will practice with the team and watch Mason play.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think you have to be obsessed with the D-League to know that Mike James isn't any kind of option for this team. He can't defend, he can't distribute, he can't shoot (anymore). Plenty of other teams have made call-ups from the D-League, this isn't exactly a far-out suggestion, regardless of who makes it. Whoever gets brought up will be strictly insurance anyway, so who cares if Pop isn't playing them. Still better than the rotting corpse of Mike James.

Oh, James is definitely an option, but our history of signing over the hill jump shooting guards who can't jump anymore is not good. I'm not sure why anyone would be excited to do the same thing again.

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I don't think you have to be obsessed with the D-League to know that Mike James isn't any kind of option for this team. He can't defend, he can't distribute, he can't shoot (anymore). Plenty of other teams have made call-ups from the D-League, this isn't exactly a far-out suggestion, regardless of who makes it. Whoever gets brought up will be strictly insurance anyway, so who cares if Pop isn't playing them. Still better than the rotting corpse of Mike James.

Yeah, plenty of teams who don't have aspirations of at least making a deep playoff run this season. This isn't the Rockets or the Kings.

Not just insurance. There's too many games up coming and this team doesn't have a bunch of early 20's athletic players who can play 40 mpg for a month. In some of these games, the Spurs are going to need a PG to play 10-15 mpg.

Eh. he always wants to make threads about me.

Hey, I've seen these guys play. You haven't. You simply don't know anything about these guys, but you are posting like you do.

I said the same thing genius -- I also said he won't play a guy like James over Mason either. That's precisely why I don't want some old guy with no legs and no future with the team.

Not at all. I merely stated that there are options other than Mike James. Someone asked me who could be called up. Sorry I had an opinion.

We're talking about a guy who will practice with the team and watch Mason play.

No, I'm posting about what they are and what they are are unproven rookies, no matter what you think of them.

I've answered the minutes thing a million times. They'll come at least a few games in these up coming weeks where the Spurs need another PG and when they do, I don't see Pop trusting some rookie from the D-League. Look at tonight, for example. Mason has clearly been out of the rotation lately, but tonight, second game of a back to back, he played (even before Parker went down). Why? Because this team needed 10 guys to get through this game. Understand the situation? Sometimes, it will be Hairston, other times, they'll need more depth at PG.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm posting about what they are and what they are are unproven rookies, no matter what you think of them.

Yep, and you don't know anything about them because you've never seen them play.

I've answered the minutes thing a million times. They'll come at least a few games in these up coming weeks where the Spurs need another PG and when they do, I don't see Pop trusting some rookie from the D-League. Look at tonight, for example. Mason has clearly been out of the rotation lately, but tonight, second game of a back to back, he played (even before Parker went down). Why? Because this team needed 10 guys to get through this game. Understand the situation? Sometimes, it will be Hairston, other times, they'll need more depth at PG.

Yeah, and they'll use Mason. Not James. Understand the situation?

Sign James. It's not going to make any difference.

[dbestpro]

Okay, let's get crazy. We talked about him last year. How about Marbury?

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Yep, and you don't know anything about them because you've never seen them play.

Yeah, and they'll use Mason. Not James. Understand the situation?

You have serious mental problems. Who brags about watching the D-League? You STILL don't get it: I don't care about them. They're unproven, James is proven, this situation calls for someone proven. If he no longer has it and can't contribute in those games where he's needed for 10-15 mpg, so be it. I'd rather go to him in this situation than take a flier on some rookie.

[ChumpDumper]

You have serious mental problems. Who brags about watching the D-League? You STILL don't get it: I don't care about them.

Right, you've never seen them. We understand. No need to keep repeating that.

They're unproven, James is proven, this situation calls for someone proven. If he no longer has it and can't contribute in those games where he's needed for 10-15 mpg, so be it. I'd rather go to him in this situation than take a flier on some rookie.

James = championship. I get it.

I think 15mpg of James will make our transition D even more of a joke than it is now.

[gospursgojas]

Leaving the forum for a few hours and coming back to find yet another thread full of chump is getting annoying

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Right, you've never seen them. We understand. No need to keep repeating that.

James = championship. I get it.

Who's we? You mean YOU? I didn't know you account for more than one person. Who cares what they do in the D-League, the question is how will they react playing in the stretch drive of a playoff team, with aspirations of making a deep run?

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said, genius. What I said was this situation calls for a veteran and it does. This is about trying to win now. It's not like Shakur or Jerrells = championship and they sure as don't = future. Even if they stay on as the third PG next season, they're dime a dozen, easily replaceable players.

10-15 mpg the odd game, not 15 mpg every game.

[Mel_13]

Did Speedy retire?

Speedy was released by the Warriors last month, but he's only played in 2 games for a total of 15 minutes in the last three seasons. I think it's safe to safe that Speedy is not an option.

As to the debate in this thread, the veteran options of AD, JV, and Mike James are all at least 35 years old and James is the only one who has played (4 games/46 minutes) this season. Since James has been with the Wizards until his recent release, we can at least assume he is close to being in game shape.

When you look at the perimeter players on the Spurs before the TP injury, you had TP, Hill, Manu, Bogans, and RJ getting almost all the minutes with Mason getting spot duty and some DNP-CDs. With Tony out, Mason moves into the rotation.

The PG minutes will now be shared by George, Manu, and Mason. Now, without starting a useless debate, just look at that list and decide who is the WORST PG option among those three. It doesn't matter which one. Now, how likely is it that any of the veteran options would be any better than the worst current option?

I'd say that James is the best veteran option, but that he's not any better than what the Spurs already have. So, IMO, we're looking for someone to play very limited minutes and most of those in garbage time. In this view, the new PG is primarily insurance against a future injury.

So, on to Dleague options like Jerrells and Shakur. Based strictly on resume, Shakur seems the better choice. Jerrells' only pro experience is with the Toros. Shakur has better size, better numbers, and has two years of experience with Eurocup and Euroleague level teams (he played with Splitter last season). One vote for Shakur.

[ChumpDumper]

Who's we? You mean YOU? I didn't know you account for more than one person.

I think it's safe to say other people can tell you haven't seen these guys play. I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

Who cares what they do in the D-League, the question is how will they react playing in the stretch drive of a playoff team, with aspirations of making a deep run?

It's a great time to find out.

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said, genius. What I said was this situation calls for a veteran and it does. This is about trying to win now.

So you do think James = championship.

It's not like Shakur or Jerrells = championship

The chances for a championship don't go up if James is signed instead, so why bother?

and even if either were the third PG next season, who cares? They'll almost assuredly never be a part of the future. They're dime a dozen, easily replaceable pieces.

Good, young point guards aren't terribly easy to find. James was pretty easily replaced this season.