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What happens with players who get up in age? They lose what they had, Pop was a great coach now he is average, it happens to players and coaches, they lose it.. stick!
Last edited by argginmanuoblifaniac; 03-07-2010 at 02:00 PM.
What happens with players who get up in age? They lose what they had, Pop was a great coach now he is average, it happens to players and coaches, they lose it.. stick!
great post. for all pop's faults it has gotten four rings in sa.
I call it "championship arrogance" or even "complaceny". It's easy to sit back and rest after you've just won it all. GMs and front office folks aren't as motivated to change/adjust or even address weaknesses. Meanwhile, the compe ion is getting better.
Exactly, if Pop was a good coach the Spurs would have won a championship the past 3 years like every other team in the NBA has and the Spurs wouldn't now be dead last in championships won in NBA history.
Pretty obviously the Spurs are now the worst team in NBA history and Pop the worst coach. We are so behind every other team in the NBA it is a disgrace and Pop should be immediately fired for allowing this to happen.
It's brilliant insight like this that makes SpursTalk the cutting edge of basketball discussion on the internet.
Pop should go so we can be as good as every other team in the NBA, and win a championship every year like they do.
I say we fire Pop and hire AJ or PJ, because those guys don't make stupid decisions and they win championships every year.
Fire Pop immediately! The genius brain trust of SpursTalk demand it!
I'll add this too...
Any Spurs player that fails to shut down Kobe Bryant is complete , the reason we don't win a le, and should be immediately traded for one of the many players in the NBA that can shut down Kobe Bryant, like every other team in the NBA has.
Any player that fails to dominate Dwight Howard/Pau Gasol/Dirk Nowitzki etc is also complete , a pussy, and should also be traded for one of the many other players in the NBA that dominate and shut those guys down nightly.
It's really not that hard to fix all these things and win a championship every year, it's simply a matter of firing Pop and hiring a guy who wins a championship every year and trading for players that dominate the Howards, Kobe's and LeBrons of the league, like all the other teams have and do.
We should also probably add a couple of 20ppg scorers. I figure we could up our offensive output about 40ppg by adding 2 20ppg scorers. Easy championship. Probably the most dominant team in NBA history. If we really want to dominate we could trade for 3 or 4 20ppg scorers and increase our PPG total by about 80ppg.
The more I think about it, the more pissed off I get. I mean all we have had to do the past 3 years is get the best players in the NBA to get the best team, and hire a coach that wins a championship every year.
Goddamn it's sickening how we have wasted Tim Duncan's career.
If only we spent more money, aquired better players than Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, and hired a coach that won a championship every year, we'd be the greatest team in NBA history.
this sucks.
And Scola, if we'd only kept Scola we'd now have the 7ft defense oriented shotblocker we need to turn the Lakers frontline into a skidmark. Instead of Scola we have all these 6'7-6'10 garbage man, midrange and 3 shooter types that simply don't have the size and speed to match up with Gasol and Nowitski defensively like Scola does.
Plus, I am so ing sick of looking up at the Rockets in the standings and watching them win a championship every year. It hurts every time I do it. It's all we have done since the day we traded Scola
this sucks!
Last edited by argginmanuoblifaniac; 03-07-2010 at 04:23 PM.
The Spurs have been stuck in 2nd gear for these last few years. It has been disapointing to watch. Having said that I don't think he should be fired but I also wont defend his decisions either. Small ball, Bogans and Bonner starting, Finley at the 4, trying to make RJ into a premier defender and a half court player...etc. The Spurs would/could/should be better but there have been cir stances effecting that. Some due to Pop/RC and some not. Kinda of like debating the "what ifs" scenarios. And this isn't a negative beatdown of Pop and the FO. They did make some good moves, too.
What if:
Josh Howard had been drafted back in '03 rather than passed over because RC thought he was a Manu clone. Another dynamic wing player that this team has needed for many years.
RC had drafted Nocioni rather than messed up his B'day, thinking he was a year younger and not eligible for the draft. Another quality player not a Spur that could have been.
Ian wasn't so damn injury prone and foul happy. Then the Spurs would have that big at he 5 replacing Rasho & Nazr from the '05 team. And by the '08 season he might have proven productive if not sooner.
Scola had come over and not been traded to the Rockets just to dump Butler and get some cap relief. But he could have come over much sooner but he has signed that monster contract with Tau back in the summer of '02 (same year he was drafted by the Spurs) with an impossible buyout IIRC. Then the Spurs would have a nice complement to TD, be it starting along side or coming off the bench.
Splitter had come over rather than taking that big fat contract Tau offered him. Can't blame him on that one though. Then the Spurs would have that defensive big at the 5 and Pop could be able to implement his defensive scheme that won those 4 rings. Or at least get closer than he is as of now.
Those are some situations that many of us here would have liked to see - Ian playing more, Scola here. Splitter here...etc. I'm sure others can come up with more. Pop's defensive scheme is predicated on a twin tower approach complimented by a preimeter stopper. Quality bigs are very hard to come by and the FO hasn't been able to replace the Rasho/Nazr duo. Though the Spurs won the le in '07 I think that cir stances and not the very superior Spurs team we saw in the other three les helped them win that one. Dallas's defeat in the 1st round along with Wallace's total meltdown in Detroit left the Spurs facing a woefully unprepared Cavs team. Of the four le teams for the Spurs I would rate the '07 last one on the list.
It's been a tough season and unless we get that big at the 5 - Splitter coming over or getting another one in the league through trade/FA (which is highly unlikely) things will continue pretty much the same. We just don't have all the pieces needed to win it all at this time.
But Timvp said it best - Hall of Fame coach - bad season.
Pretty ing pathetic that you are in total denial in such a myopiclly homeristic fashion and to such an extreme degree.
It's been 2 years since the Spurs last hoisted the trophy, that is a joke. You know many other teams in NBA history, not to mention currently, have gone 2 years without a le?
None. Pop and the Spurs are the only coach and team in history to go 2 years without a le.
No other coach, no other team, has ever gone that long.
Not Phil
Not Red
Not Doc Rivers...
Pat Riley? Nope.
Not the Lakers
Not the Celtics
Not the Bulls...
And not any other teams or any other coaches in history. Only Pop, and the Spurs.
Do you realize that at least one other time in his career Pop has been so pathetically inept to go 3 years without a le? One other time this complete re idiot has gone more than a year without a winning a le.
Did Phil the Lakers Bulls ever do that? Never.
Did Pat and the Lakers Heat?
Red and the Celtiics?
Any other teams or coaches in NBA history, or currently?
None whatsover. Only the Spurs have sucked that badly as they did then and do now.
What really pisses me off is that we are sitting here jacking around with Pop while there are some fantastic coaches available...
Avery "The Chemist" Johnson
P.(and that P stands for players' coach)J. Carleisimo.
That assistant coach for the Grizz.
Pathetic, here the Spurs are setting records for medioctiry(unmatched by Phil, Red, Pat and Lakers Celtics Bulls and every other team and coach ever and currently) while we're ing around with this complete idiot RC Buford hired(incindetally, he should be fired for that too, he's part of this disgrace of an organization).
I deserve better than this, I am used to better than this, and if they don't give it to me? I will continue to relentlessly on message boards about there stupidity. this , I expect a championship because I am used to it.
Fire! for better.
Trade! for betterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Or it alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!
Our players aren't as good as they were a few years ago. Not surprisingly, the team isn't as good. It's a players league.
Nontheless, as our players have gotten older Pop hasn't been very good at adapting.
we could have easily had a dominant big man about 3x this year but pop didnt want them now were done!!!!! and yes for you information that was pops fault for not getting or obtaining those big men while we had a great chance and the trades to do so!!!!
Wtf
I peeked in on this thread :47 seconds ago as sober as a new born baby and now I am feeling as drunk as a skunk.
Oh well, carry onward and upward!
Dude, Pop owes all his success to Tim Duncan he rode Duncan's coattails his whole career..
What a bold statement. Phil jackson owes all his success to Micheal Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Shaq. Talent breeds success. No coach succeeds without talent. I fail to see your point.
LA - 2002
Next ring - 2009
so instead of 2 years, you meant seven, right?
not trying to troll, but just wanted to point that out.
No I don't mean that, because that would mean Phil Jackson would have gone like 5 years without a winning a le, which is longer than Pop has ever gone, that would be like a stretch of 2 and 3 years, combined...and obviously that would never happen since every coach other than Pop wins a le every year, most especially Phil Jackson.
Every knows Phil won a le every year, whether he ditched his HOF C or not, unlike Pop who took full year, like a ing idiot, to win another le after losing his HOF C.
Pop has lost it, and he has lost his team. Players like Jefferson, TP and Mason are not going to go balls to the walls for Pop and his idiotic schemes.
And Manu is playing for money at this point.
Firing Pop is the only thing that is going to save the Spurs until TD retires.
These are intelligent grown ass men who happen to be NBA players that Pop is sending out there to play with the likes of Bonner and Bogans.
If the players thought it was that simple, then why don't we just go down to the local YMCA and grab the best set shot 3pt shooter and a guy that stoops on defense but still can't keep his man in front of him and start them.
The Spurs players know this man is full of and you are seeing the effort on the court.
And for those of you who defend Pop with 4 rings, I would say we had real NBA players, and we played them.
Bowen, Stephen Jackson, Horry and Mohammed are real NBA players who actually played defense. You can't replace these guys with YMCA bums.
Feel better now? I hope so since it only leads to bad things when you keep those negative thoughts and emotions locked inside. Stastically it's been shown that those who let out their inner frustrations live longer and more productive lives. Hate to hear of someone literally dropping dead from their pent up feelings and anger here at ST.
But total denial? Really? Denial that IMHO I think this has been a bad season for Pop? Sometimes things don't work out the way you would like them to but you totally went off the deep end on this one. And sometimes you don't have the right pieces to the puzzle. This season the Spurs will be lucky to make the 2nd round and winning the trophy is about nonexistent. That is the way I see it but that doesn't mean I'm in denial, just realistic. I never will defend Pop simply by saying "4 rings". Now if you want to experience a pathetic comeback then that is one. That was never part of the point and if you think it's important then so be it. Frankly I don't. To be critical of Pop doesn't mean that I want him to be fired or that I don't appreciate what he has done over the years. To paraphrase something from above - "Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug". As it stands now the SPurs compared to the slite teams in the league they are the bug more so than not.
And as far as I'm concered it isn't as important to me to chant how many les this team or that team has. Or when they won them, either. We hear that LA has 15. So? Five of them where won when the team was in Minnesota and not LA but they will claim them as their own. Same franchise but different cities. No big deal. Anyway most fans couldn't care less what happened last decade or for that matter five years ago. To them that's ancient history. And I'm quite aware of how many les and in what year the Spurs won theirs, too. As for the rant about mediocrity well unless we get some better pieces to this team that will be the Spurs destiny. Though I believe that if/when Splitter comes over this will help aleviate the problem in the middle. No one knows for sure if he will be that missing piece but as a fan one can only hope he fills that role.
As for winnig that is expected in this city when you have been this consistent at competing for and winning championships. Though I would like to win it every year that is completely unrealistic. And when TD retires this run may never be repeated here ever. Getting both DRob and TD in the lottery is an unbelievable feat. I think some people just don't understand the odds of getting those dominant bigs in the lottery. And the Spurs have only gotten there three times. I'm just happy to be a witness to this incredible run. I started following them when they first came to the city. I suffered through all those seasons where they just couldn't get over the hump and to being totally pathetic in the mid to late '80s.
The more I think about it, the more pissed off I get. I mean all we have had to do the past 3 years is get the best players in the NBA to get the best team, and hire a coach that wins a championship every year.
Goddamn it's sickening how we have wasted Tim Duncan's career.
If only we spent more money, aquired better players than Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, and hired a coach that won a championship every year, we'd be the greatest team in NBA history.
this sucks.
And Scola, if we'd only kept Scola we'd now have the 7ft defense oriented shotblocker we need to turn the Lakers frontline into a skidmark. Instead of Scola we have all these 6'7-6'10 garbage man, midrange and 3 shooter types that simply don't have the size and speed to match up with Gasol and Nowitski defensively like Scola does.
Plus, I am so ing sick of looking up at the Rockets in the standings and watching them win a championship every year. It hurts every time I do it. It's all we have done since the day we traded Scola
this sucks!
Some coaches manage to lose despite having talent by thinking the NBA is "changing" to the point where you need to play 4 guards and a small-forward to get stops against taller teams or that you need to have one or more guys starting who can't score to make up for the loss of Bruce Bowen.
what a stupid thread.
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