Um, Jefferson put up more points per game last year than Scola did.
And the salary has nothing to do with with whether or not he is a good fit for the team.
And you obviously don't know what happens to players that create bad blood with Pop and RC...they do not last here. The fact you think Scola would buck that trend is laughable.If the Spurs could trade Jefferson for Scola tomorrow, believe me they would, even if you think Bufford and Pop don't like Scola. They made a huge mistake evaluating Scola's value. happens.
Dennis Rodman didn't buck it, I guran ingtee you Luis Scola wouldn't have.
He's simply not that ing good.
The comparison to SAR is absurd. Scola and a bunch or role-players took the NBA champions last season to a 7th game.
Do you know how much Scola makes? $3.2 millions. It's more or less the same Spurs paid Finley and Bonner this season. It's less than what Mason is making.
If you think any of those players help so much a NBA team like Scola, you're delusional.
And they are losing their asses off too.
So?
Scola never played for the Spurs. i doubt there's any kind of bad blood. They made a bad decision. Nobody is perfect.
Oh yes, I am so impressed with Scola. His Spanish team went into the tank without him. The Rockets have gone undefeated and won 3 championships since adding him.
It's statistically provable the Rockets are a better team without Scola on the court than they are with him on it in fact...
Simply go to 82games.com and see the numbers for yourself.
Even when he was starting with Yao and TMac and Artest he had a marginally postivie on court rating, last of all their starters.
He's not that ing good. He just speaks the right language.
Here is what's funny about this...you guys think I am biased against Scola for some inane reason...
Yet I have always defended Manu.
I wanted to sign Oberto in 2003.
I wanted to trade Scola for Nocionic if possible.
I do not have some compulsive hatred of Argie Spanish players...about 3/4ths of you Scola fans are biased however, and the rest are statheads without concernt to the ultimate stat, team performance.
Scola is not a difference maker. Period.
I do not give a how many people that are less knowledgable and have watched less basketball than me attempt to say that isn't the case and they know more...
I simply know better. One would think you guys would be smart to realize by now that will never change, however if you had that observational ability you would no doubt STFU about Scola because you would realiuze he isn't that good...
In addition to realizing that ing about him serves absolutely no purpose except to throw on the forum.
I still think you guys would be happier if you went to Rockets forums so you could celebrate the stupidity of the Spurs for trading him to them, along with the numerous championships they have won since trading for him. Not only that but you could look down upon the lowly stupid Spurs from the standings, and ask themn how Scola's culo tastes
Go for it
Because ya'll know so much.
PS: If Scola had been here last year, we still would have lost to the Mavs in the first round.
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And who said you are an Argie hater? I don't think you're an Argie hater I just think you're wrong about they way you percieve Scola's game.
Also don't try to make this a nationalistic thing, there are lots of not Argentine posters that about the Scola trade. Besides I wouldn't be arguing with you if instead of Scola the Spurs would have traded away Nocioni for example (if they would have drafted him), 'cause I think that Andres isn't that good and is pretty overrated by NBA fans.
If you think that Nocioni is better than Scola no you don't.
But I'm not wrong...and I actually wasn't wrong about his FG% either. I said if he became the focus of a defense his FG% would drop, which it has in the post season.
It didn't hurt his Spanish team when he left. The Rockets did not significantly improve when he arrived.
You realize that Scola was the MVP of his league and team in Europe, yet he left them for the Rockets and there was virtually no significant difference in that teams' performance?
That's like Tim Duncan going to the Lakers and the Spurs continuing without missing a beat.
That is not the resume of impact of a difference maker, and the day you guys get past Scola's mother tongue, nation or origin, and look at the context and ultimate impact of his stats, you will finally get that.
Trust me. I've watched a lot more basketball than you, especially Spurs.
The funniest thing is that earlier in this thread it was you, not me, that compared Manu to Scola as if they were similar type players...trust me, the moment you did that you insulted Manu more than any poster ever on this forum.
He is the irreplacable part, the reason you won a gold medal...
Don't insult him by saying he has the same impact as Scola does.
You prove you know beyond simple stats when you do that.
Um, at that particular moment in time the Spurs needed a long SF, not a slow PF who was a defensive liablity and choke under pressure more or less everytime except for 2004.
The reason you and I do not see eye to eye is that I actually search for the round peg to fit in the round hole, you otoh just think hammering the square one in will suffice, especially if it was made in hispania.
You said his FG% would suck in the NBA and it doesn't. And what's that about the defense focusing on him? He's a role player defense shouldn't be focusing on him.
'Cause TAU is one of the most stacked teams in Europe, the fact that he was considered the best player of such a talented team speaks in itself.It didn't hurt his Spanish team when he left. The Rockets did not significantly improve when he arrived.
You realize that Scola was the MVP of his league and team in Europe, yet he left them for the Rockets and there was virtually no significant difference in that teams' performance?
That's like Tim Duncan going to the Lakers and the Spurs continuing without missing a beat.
Maybe you have watched more basketball than me because you're probably older than me but I have watched my good share of BB too, 20 years of watching the NBA, FIBA and pretty much every basketball tournament that is aired on TV.That is not the resume of impact of a difference maker, and the day you guys get past Scola's mother tongue, nation or origin, and look at the context and ultimate impact of his stats, you will finally get that.
Trust me. I've watched a lot more basketball than you, especially Spurs.
And about that nationalistic thing, I already told you I wouldn't be arguing with you if the point of our argument was Nocioni or any other Argentine player I don't think as highly of as Scola, I wouldn't even be arguing about Oberto.
Maybe you should be the one that needs to look past his homerism, I'm sure you would love Scola right now if our FO wouldn't have traded him.
I didn't compare Manu and Scola as players and you know it, I was just making an extreme example to show how re ed your "The Rockets haven't won with Scola" argument is.The funniest thing is that earlier in this thread it was you, not me, that compared Manu to Scola as if they were similar type players...trust me, the moment you did that you insulted Manu more than any poster ever on this forum.
He is the irreplacable part, the reason you won a gold medal...
Don't insult him by saying he has the same impact as Scola does.
You prove you know beyond simple stats when you do that.
If they were so stacked when he was there to the degree they would not notice him leaving, then the fact they failed to win a championship when he was there pretty much hammers my point home about him not being an impact implayer.
This is going to be like trying to hold water for you guys...you can't make a player into something he isn't in an argument with me because I will look at it every angle...and the simple truth matter is, Scola is neither a difference maker, nor an impact player. I thank you for pointing that out, but it wasn't needed.
Much like Scola didn't get the Rockets out of the first round his first year with the club, so therefore crediting him with their advancement last season reveals the true nature of your argument, all the good to Scola, all the bad to excuses.
And that's exactly why you guys only show up to post this in his good games after wins. And never at any other time.
How do you say weak in Spanish? That should be the name of your church.
You're nuts. He isn't a nș1 overall pick under a max contract. He's a role player making $3 millions.
You need to inform yourself about the financial side of the equation.
Plus, I don't think you understand how on/off court stuff works. Last season the Spurs were a best defensive team with Duncan off the court. According to your crazy logic, this probably means that Oberto, Kurt Thomas or whoever was a better defender than Duncan.
Use that type of numbers after adjustment (to teammates and opponents) and when you have a sample of several seasons. Less than that they're useless.
And Spanish is not my mother tongue.
Nobody thinks that except you. And again with that "hispania" thing. Let me get this straight for you. The reason Spurs fans about Scola is 'cause he was drafted by the Spurs and was traded away for money relief, not because he is Spanic. If the Spurs would have drafted let's say JJ Hickson and then traded him for nothing Spurs fans would be ing about JJ Hickson and not about Scola.
Oh yes you did, you asked me what I would have done if the Spurs had traded Manu in 2002...as if it was a similar situation.
It wasn't...and it actually would have been a champiuonshup costing trade, whereas Scola isn't and never will be. Because he does not fill the weakness that needs to be filled for the Spurs to win a le, and only an idiot with a re ed perception of the game fails to see that.
The only thing these Scola arguments prove to me is that you guys don't even understand why the Spurs don't win.
In 2008 one of the Spurs biggest problems was matching up with Odom, Scola made Odom his in the Rockets/Lakers series of 2009. I'm sure Luis wouldn't have helped the Spurs on that regard. Also I don't know where you get that Scola is slow, for a bigman he is pretty damn quick.
And I'm done arguing with you, you're more obtuse than I thought. Have a good day.
he's slower than Bonner is. Did you not see the game that was proven beyond all doubt? You know the one where Bonner stole the ball from Scola and outran him down the court for a dunk?
Wasn't even a compe ive race...Scola was way behind him by the time Bonner dunked.
How could you have missed it? That is the only time Matt Bonner has ever done, ever will do, that, in his entire career. Because there aren't but like 2 players in the NBA slower than he is, one of whom is Scola, which is why Scola never played 4th quarters until there was no other big on the roster to play them.
Oh I know how you missed it, because Bonner started heads up against Scola that game and gave him a royal butt ing, that's how you missed it. The same way you guys miss every bad game Scola has and loss the Rockets have.
It's not my fault you're new to basketball.And I'm done arguing with you, you're more obtuse than I thought. Have a good day.
Uh don't attempt to subscribe some higher purpose to the Scola whiners...there are 4 motivations to them and none of them come from any sort of enlightended perspective.
1. Nationalistic/Regional bias. You know who these guys are.
2. Simple covetousness. The guys who endlessly whine about the Spurs not spending enough money. That want to sign every wifebeating, dogfighting, rapist who ever averaged 10ppg for a season.
3. Those who do not look beyond point and rebound averages.
4. Monday morning qb and second guesssers whose self esteem is tied to the Spurs w-l record, swinging wildly in frustration at the Spurs struggles.
There is no deeper motivation, they do not have a higher purpose, I am the one with the deeper motivation and the higher purpose, and dismantling those 4 childlike frames of reference before I even begin to argue against them is easy as pie.
And ultimately, I don't care how ing smart or sensible you think you are, ing about it 3 years after the fact, even if everything you say is right, and true, is:
Pointless
Needless
Irrelevant
Redundant
And stupid.
And it serves absolutely no purpose and contributes absolutely nothing of value to this board save giving me a deserving target for verbal abuse.
I'll agree the Spurs desrved to get more for Scola...what I don't agree on is that they turned down more. And as Tiago staying in Spain proves, even if there wasn't a contentious relationship between the Spurs and Scola, if his agent was making noises about staying with Tau, it was a threat the Spurs needed to take seriously.
It is what it is...
Personally I welcome things like the Scola trade and even find a bright spot in the Spurs struggles this season...it gets rid of a portion of the ty bandwaggoning section of fans.
I couldn't care less about the Spurs or about Argies and I think Scola is a terrific role-player.
You probably don't want to deal with the fact that the Spurs ed up with this trade and therefore your crazy "yeah, but Scola didn't lead the Rockets to a championship" arguments.
Well, you can't be this emotional about this issues. It's just basketball.
But yeah...I guess you guys are right, without Scola, the Rockets would not make the playoffs this year.
Vive la diferencia!
Whatever respect I may or may not have had for your opinion went out the window the instant I saw you in a thread ing about an irreversible trade that happened 3 years ago as if it can some how accomplish anything.
Pretty much bottom of the barrel intellecutalism.
Fact.
At least I admit the primary reason I am here is to call people stupid.
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