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Those mean nothing because Pop is stupid.
cant compare 2 teams when lakers were clearly rebuilding and force to play bynum with starters minute just like what the spurs did in 02 with parker and ginoboli when the team was rebuilding.
last 2-3 seasons spurs have been a contender, they have no time to sit around and see what rookies can do, its either you have what it takes or gtfo...
the only rookie mistake was letting beno go...
Those mean nothing because Pop is stupid.
I can only guess that he's been injury plagued most of his career..They tried developing him in the D league and then he got injured..I know they had to have seen something...as for Beno you have to remember as a point guard your sole purpose is to bring the ball up..granted it was the playoffs, but he had struggled handling the ball...its easier to keep a project big man who has athletism and height then to keep point guards who struggle with thier job of facilitating the offense..
He was unlucky with all the injuries. I agree he needs a change of scenario. I don't agree he's necessarily a bust. He obviously will never be a quality starter, but an Amir Johnson kind of player he has potential to be.
I think he developed some bad habits that need to be broken before he gets serious playing time. Force feeding him minutes now would only reinforce those bad habits.
NBA career stats of Ian Mahinmi per 36 min : 22.7 pts 12.4 reb 3 blk (+8.1/10.2 FT)
And he defends the rim...
That guy sucks really big time !
The bad, per 36 min : 3.4 to & 7.7 pf... All he needs is some playing time.
The practice argument could be true, but none of us know..
Do you have a link?..
Funny how Ian is considered garbage by the forum talent scouts today. However, these same forum scouts were absent when he went for 18 & 7 in a surprise run against the Nets several months back.
Say whatever you want, but there isn't another guy on the roster with his skills that can protect the rim and has the quickness to defend athletic frontline players. Again, no one is claiming the guy is a savior, but there's no way I'm convinced that he's the lost cause most are trying to make him out to be.
The bottom line is until any of us see him getting some regular burn, none of us are in a position to make a reasonable appraisal of him off a few measly minutes.
I don't think people get this.
And yeah, the Spurs are in a great position to give up on unproven, former first round picks because of all the young frontline talent they have in the pipeline. After all, that Splitter thing is working out great.
This is it. It's laughable to think the Spurs didn't pick up his contract and aren't playing him so they can "hide" him and get him cheap next season. It would've been great to see him play serious minutes before it came time to pick up the option but oh well, that ship has sailed.
cant compare 2 teams when lakers were clearly rebuilding and force to play bynum with starters minute just like what the spurs did in 02 with parker and ginoboli when the team was rebuilding.
last 2-3 seasons spurs have been a contender, they have no time to sit around and see what rookies can do, its either you have what it takes or gtfo...
the only rookie
...gotta disagree there...i am not so sure that the lakers were not just playing bynum because they were rebuilding---or because they had no other options...
they played him because of HIS POTENTIAL UPSIDE....
I cannot understand why it is so hard for the Pop to take a gamble on Ian...because , sure there will be growing pains,mistakes,etc...
but his POTENTIAL UPSIDE way override the mistakes....geez...even IF he isn't an all-star calibur player in the future----he can at least be a serviceable big---and a defensive anchor...
if pop really believes in his SYSTEM ---going by the CENTERPIECE bit about Bogans....then why isn't he trying to develop Ian in the D Rob mold??????
We will only talk in circles for this thread because we have no idea what Ian Mahinmi is capable of when given solid consistent minutes.
No idea.
Noone.
We are going to lose in the first round this season.
There is almost no doubt.
It's almost fact.
What harm is there in playing a young player that's been in your system for years a solid chance at proving himself? Three games...maybe five games....that's it.
If he's a joke, then we know he's a joke.
Where are we then? Exactly where we are now.
It's just silly to judge the development of a player you've invested so much money in, using the criteria of a Championship Team....when we are a one and done team in the playoffs. We are not championship contenders anymore, why not give the young guys a chance.
Spurs are no longer contenders///the jury is still out on this guy because he hasn't proven whether he can handle the NBA game. In his limited time of action, Ian has shown the good and the bad. Pop really needs to get his head out of his ass with this one. He needs to give him a chance to either succeed or fail.
The stupid little mistakes Ian's making can be ironed out with a little confidence and actual PT in real games. Getting a few minutes here and there every 5 games isn't enough to do this.
What's sad are those minutes Pop was giving Ratliff earlier this year could have been going to Ian to help him develop. Where is Ratliff now? Oh right, not on the team. What a waste of a signing and a waste of valuable development time. Major up by Popovich.
The fact that LB is playing Ratliff in Charlotte makes Pop look even more like a dumb-ass. Ratliff isn't that fragile that he should've been on ice until the playoffs. If anything else, playing time during the regular season keeps the rust off.
ratliff is gettin minutes on the bobcats and has done better since leavin the spurs.
This is the point. I haven't heard one person yet say that Ian will be a great player, or even a solid player. , there's probably a >50% chance he won't ever be anything more than bench fodder.
But if Ian had played two games and averaged 44 min, 26.5 points, 14.5 rebs, and 3.5 blocks, I damn sure guarantee everyone in here would be wanting to see more. Even if the two games were only against New Jersey and the Clippers.
That's the point..
The Ian supporters acknowledge that he might end up sucking, but we want to see him get a CHANCE, because we haven't seen him get a chance..
The Ian bashers say he sucks and doesn't deserve a chance based on limited minutes that he gets every 20 games or so..
yea if you look at the big picture, he has produced. and his interior D is not horrible. certainly better than dice at this point.
Right, we don't know anything. But the fact that he has only gotten 84 minutes in his NBA career is probably a good indication that he is not a very good player and/or does not fit in the Spurs' system. Pop and the organization see him in practice and know what he can and cannot do. Obviously, Pop feels that Bonner, Blair, and McDyess are better players than Ian so those guys get the playing time.
Ian would get minutes if he showed Pop that he deserved them. But he obviously hasn't, so he sits on the bench, just like other countless players do in the NBA.
A lot of you all are using the argument that he just needs minutes and he will get better. However, if he doesn't have what it takes, he won't get better. I mean, you couldn't throw me in an NBA game and expect me to improve into a formidable player.
Ian just isn't good enough, period. He's not going to play. He hasn't shown Pop what he needs to show him (And Blair has gotten plenty of PT as a rookie so the excuse that Pop likes to play old guys doesn't hold any weight).
And besides, Ian will probably be gone after this season, so there's no point in trying to develop him, anyways. We can get better players than Ian via the draft and/or trades.
We'll see if Ian gets signed by any NBA teams in the offseason or if he returns to play in Europe.
guy haven't even played that much...give the guy a break
Originally Posted by timaios
07-08 = 22 min
09-10 = 62 min
So Ian played a great total of 84 min of basketball in his NBA entire career. How can you make improvements with that bs playing time. That's less than 2 games !
Edit : 84 min = 53 pts (17/27) 19/24 FT + 29 reb + 7 blk
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Ian: Maybe he will or maybe he wont be any type of contributing player in the NBA. BUT as pointed out above he hasn't gotten the chance to prove anything in this league. Garbage time and restricted minutes amount to just about nothing when evaluating a player's performace.
As HarlemHeat37 posed the questionin another post here - Have some of you never played organized basketball?.. he was trying to explain that in order to be productive you need to be playing on a consistent basis which will allow you to get into some kind of groove. Only then can you really evaluate what kind of player he will ultimately be. Remember that Ian was a #1 pick so the Spurs saw something in him to use their first round on him. Probably scouted him extensively so as to see him playing on a regular basis. Now he doesn't get those minutes and that's a shame.
Wouldn't it be both funny and yet sad for him to go to a bottom feeder team and get those minutes he can't here and produce something close to what he did in all those 84 minutes.
Imagine the meltdown here.
How many points did the Cavs score when he and Hairston were on the floor? I've long said that he should be playing alongside Duncan so they never have to run an offensive play for him. Bogans makes more mistakes than any of the young guys, but he makes the kind that ignorant fans fail to see.
Ian sucks.
When they find that link, I'd like for the link to the "evidence its the Spurs fault they didn't trade Mason or get Thomas" link as well.
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