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He plays a larger role than Collison on a team that's better than the team Collison is on. Seems pretty simple.
Better passer.
Better court vision.
Less ball dominant.
Way, way quicker.
Faster.
Better handler in traffic.
More advanced dribble moves.
Jennings is 19 and one year removed from high-school. Collison was a senior in college. Collison's upside is pretty limited. Jennings weak points - finishing at the basket, defence (even though he's not a bad defender) - will very probably disappear or be minimized in the next 2 seasons. OTOH, Collison will never acquire Jennings' quickness or ability to see passing angles and put the ball between the numbers.
He plays a larger role than Collison on a team that's better than the team Collison is on. Seems pretty simple.
Hollinger says a lot of crap, but the other day he made a great point about Jennings:
Lee (Boston):
Brandon Jennings - rookie wall or returning to the mean?
John Hollinger:
The latter. Also, one thing we should point out about Jennings as compared to Evans and Curry -- he's the only who's being held accountable on D, asked to get other players involved and manage a game, and generally do the things that PGs on winning teams have to do. Look, Evans is going to win ROY and Curry will likely come in second, and both are tremendous talents ... but right now Jennings is the only one who's actually learning how to play.
Trade CP3 for young talented players and/or draft picks. This team would be scary.
No, I'm saying that the fact he plays less minutes than someone shouldn't have some huge impact like you seem to think it should.
If you wanna talk per minute then Rodrigue Beaubois is in this discussion and is putting up great numbers.
I think he was asking about Curry, not Jennings.
I was talking about Curry not Jennings.
Ok, but do you think Curry has been playing better than Collison while Collison has been starting? Obviously not.
Yes.
I may be wrong about Beaubois, although I doubt it; but I'm fairly sure about Rubio (or Evans, or Curry).
Collison is going to be a solid starter - say Calderon or Felton. Ditto for Holiday.
Beaubois I can see being a key piece in a good team/fringe All-Star.
Curry/Rubio/Evans/Jennings - All-Star appearances, All-NBA teams for a couple of them
You act like Collison is slow.
Yeah he has, but you can't base his rookie season off the select games he starts. If the ROY voters only judge rookies for the games they start, then yeah, Collison would be a contender.
Sorry, my bad.
Curry will be one of the deadliest scoring point-guards in the league. Top-notch talent as a shooter. Collison simply doesn't have a single skill at this level.
Shooting doesn't matter I guess. Basically Hornet78's question was, "If you take away the reason Stephen Curry is in the NBA, how is he better than Collison?"
What are you talking about? He's very fast, good ball-handler, can finish in the paint really well, gets steals, rebounds, good outside shooter, great FT shooter, good passer. Seriously.
Shooting is important, but Collison's a good shooter too. He scored over 30 twice this week when he had too. Again, Collison does everything else better than Curry. This is a similar argument when comparing CP3 and Williams. Williams has known to be the better shooter, but CP3 tends to do everything else better, which is why he puts up better numbers.
Most would consider Stephen Curry an elite shooter in the NBA. Is Collison considered an elite speedster, elite finisher, elite ball handler, elite outside shooter, or elite passer? If not then you didn't answer his question.
I'm done debating with you Mogrovjo because you basically sealed your fate when you said Collison has no skills at this level.
I don't get this comparison. DWill is a better shooter than CP3 but CP3 is a better scorer. Stephen Curry is a better shooter and scorer than Collison.
Hmm, just because Curry is elite at one good thing and Collison is bascially very good at everything, Curry is the better PG right now. Collison could be considered an elite speedster. But he's very good at pretty much everything else.
The only reason he averages more points per game is because he's played more minutes. Collison has been averaging more since starting. I never said Curry was the better scorer.
I'm talking outside of the city of New Orleans involving the opinion of people not wearing their baby blue Hornets homer glasses.
I did. Curry scores at a more efficient rate and scores more points per game. It's not even a question.
I think alot people have seen what Collison is capable of when playing full-time.
He plays on Golden State. He's supposed to score.
Curry averages 1.203 points per shot, Collison averages 1.172. The fact Curry is able to shoot more than Collison yet maintain a higher efficiency makes him a better scorer.
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