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Forget about Collison, lets talk about Thornton. He's actually been the Hornets best rookie. He's been a monster lately. The guy keeps scoring for the last couple of weeks has been shooting at a high FG% What a steal for a 2nd round pick.
If you look at Collison's splits as a starter on espn.com, he has been way, waaaaay better than Jennings as a starter.
Collison: 25 games 39.0 min 19.0 ppg 8.3 apg 48.0 fg% .404 3 pt fg% 86.735 ft%
Jennings: 62 games 33.1 min 15.8 ppg 6.1 apg 36.6 fg% .383 3 pt fg% 80.9 ft%
Unless you're arguing Collison would hit the wall playing as much as Jennings there's really no comparison. The big key is fg%; while Jennings is awful, Collison has been very solid as a starter.
Forget about Collison, lets talk about Thornton. He's actually been the Hornets best rookie. He's been a monster lately. The guy keeps scoring for the last couple of weeks has been shooting at a high FG% What a steal for a 2nd round pick.
Thornton probably deserves a 1st all rookie team, I forgot any 5 players can make it.
So I guess we agree to disagree.
Yes, he's good at plenty of things. His game is pretty polished. As I've said, he's a future quality starter who's going to reach his pinnacle as a player very soon.
He doesn't really defend or rebound as well as Rondo or Westbrook, doesn't shoot or pass like Curry, doesn't have the creativity of Rubio or Jennings, isn't as explosive and athletic as Rondo or Westbrook, isn't as quick as Jennings, doesn't use picks as well as Curry, etc.
I'm done debating you. I'm talking about Thornton now.
OK neat, you can cherry pick the best 25 games of Collison's season and ignore the rest. I can do something similar:
If you look at Jennings' splits comparing when he does/doesn't score 50+ points, he has Collison killed as a 50 point scorer.
Jennings: 55 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 61.8% shooting,
Collison: no games as a 50 point scorer
You weren't debating, you're learning.
Listing his stats as a starter is cherrypicking?
Yes. You can't just ignore the other games.
Collison will be better than Rondo.
Are you the same nutjob who wanted to trade Chris Paul? I can't tell, all you Hornets fans look the same to me.
Rubio hasn't played a single game, and you claim that he's going to be an All Star? And Beaubois shouldn't even be in the discussion.
How do you see Collison becoming any better than he currently is? It's pretty clear he's either hit his ceiling or is pretty close. Even with several years in the league Rondo has room to grow.
We might not have a choice. He could easily leave in a couple of season and Hornets are stuck with Okafor's contract so it will be hard to build a team around CP3 in the next two seasons unless we got lucky in the draft.
Rondo is still a poor shooter even after a few years. Collison can easily improve his game. He's only 22 years old. He can refine his shooting even more, get bigger and stronger, learn how to defend better, how to make less turnovers, etc.
Cherrypicking is picking stats manipulated to make a player look good, like games versus a team who have no pg defense. Of his 25 starts a ton came against playoff teams it's not some randomly picked grouping against bad teams or some convoluted "games on 3 days rest versus east coast teams" stat. I really don't see the cherrypicking.
If Collison can do what he's doing now without all the turnovers, then that would be a significant improvement.
Are you leaving certain stats out to inflate the guy's number and make it seem like he's having a better season than he's having? It's a yes or no question. If the answer is yes, then you're cherry picking.
Steve Nash hates you.
The feeling is mutual between them.
He wishes Darren Collison was his backup so his starting job would be more secure. I don't blame him.
Suns beat Utah if you played.
its the hornets system. place collison in another system with actual rookie minutes and hed show you what hes really made of. same with paul
No, because it includes several bad or weak games he had as a starter and those are still his averages. I mean it's not some list of his best games as a starter it's all his games starting. Seriously though, those numbers as a starter really don't impress you?
Also, even including his stats as a backup his TS% and PER is significantly better than Jennings. And he's shooting a hundred points higher. Jennings shouldn't be given points for playing more just because he lucked out and landed on a team w/o Chris Paul.
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