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    lol WMDs.

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    Bush was a two-term president who was re-elected convincingly.
    The manner of Bush's accession to office was unique and his reelection was successful as you say.

    People are already wanting 2012 to be here so they can throw Obama out of office.
    Sure.

    I'd say there is no resemblance except where Obama has continued to right-minded foreign policies and terrorism-related policies, ins uted by President Bush, that is so enraging his base.
    That's part of it, sure. Canoodling with banks and big finance both publicly and in the dark is another.

    I read an interesting piece by Larison on Obama's popularity today.

    Breaking: People Who Didn’t Vote For Obama Don’t Approve Of Him

    Posted on March 7th, 2010 by Daniel Larison


    Bigotry cannot explain, however, why Mr Obama’s approval rating among white Americans has fallen since he took office, from roughly 60% to 40%. As the president pointed out in September: “I was actually black before the election.” White voters have changed their view of Mr Obama not because of his skin colour, but because of what he has done—and what he has failed to do—since he took office. And although he is not on the ballot this year, this matters. The less people admire the president, the less likely they are to vote for his party in the mid-terms. ~Lexington
    According to CNN’s national exit poll, 43% of whites and 41% of white men voted for Obama, and this is approximately where his approval among these groups is now. What needs to be explained is what that approximately middle 20% of whites were thinking when they said they approved of Obama when they had not voted for him. Perhaps it was simply goodwill for a new President and relief that our long national nightmare was finally over. Perhaps it was something else. Whatever the reason for this gap between approval and actual voting habits, the fall in Obama’s approval among whites was a function of the broad but extremely shallow base of a lot of those early high approval ratings.



    When people point to Obama’s “low” approval numbers among whites, which do indeed hover around 40%, I am unsure what they mean. Give or take a couple of points, whites who disapprove of Obama’s performance are whites who did not vote for him. The genuinely disaffected white independent voter who voted for Obama and has since been scandalized by his agenda is rarer than gold. The whites who did not vote for Obama have also not voted for Democratic nominees for many previous cycles. In other words, the change that needs to be explained is not why McCain-voting whites disapprove of Obama (after all, they wanted the other candidate and almost always vote Republican for President!), but why for a period of several months millions upon millions of McCain-voting whites said that they approved of Obama as he embarked on an agenda they presumably did not support at the polls.



    White approval, or lack of it, is very close to white voting in 2008. Democratic House candidates ran slightly ahead of Obama in 2008 with these voters. According to the national House exit poll, Democratic House candidates received 45% support from whites and 43% support from white men. In Rasmussen’s generic ballot poll, whites favor Republicans 50-30 with 5% choosing “other” and 14% “unsure.” What seems likely is that most of this undecided and would-be third-party vote will come back to Democrats. 53% of whites backed Republican House candidates last time, and it seems reasonable that roughly that many will back them this year. White 65+ voters backed 2008 Republican House candidates 53-44. They are likely going to do the same thing this year. The difference is that they will make up a larger share of the electorate than they have in the last two cycles. Added to this is the shift among all 65+ voters away from the Democrats and towards those stalwart Republican champions of unsustainable en lements.



    The story of the 2010 elections is not that Obama has been losing that many white voters, because the disapproving whites were mostly never Democratic voters anyway. The story is that the electorate will be disproportionately made up of those groups who had not been voting for Democrats all along, namely whites and specifically whites 65 and older. The GOP’s completely shameless but politically effective defense of the sanc y of Medicare has also managed to pull away other 65+ voters who had been preferring Democratic House candidates by a narrow margin in the last two cycles.



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    I read an interesting piece by Larison on Obama's popularity today.
    There are many people who did vote for him that are livid with his continuing the Bush administration policies on terrorism.

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    There are many people who did vote for him that are livid with his continuing the Bush administration policies on terrorism.
    There are many people who didn't vote for him who feel the same way.

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    There are many people who didn't vote for him who feel the same way.
    Good for them.

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    If you haven't heard the radio interview with Massa, it's at the link; I highly recommend it. Pure comedy gold.

    By the way; we here Obama ing quite a bit about Republicans being the fly in the ointment on Obamacare but, if you can't even get your own party behind the effort, why would even pretend to expect the opposition would buy off on it?

    Worst.administration.ever. In fact, I'd say this is the worst cluster of a government we've ever had. C'mon November!

    Why do you hate America?

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    Still better than W.
    That pretty much sums up how the left views this presidency. Far cry from the Hope & Change of only a year ago isn't it.

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    That pretty much sums up how the left views this presidency. Far cry from the Hope & Change of only a year ago isn't it.
    Still 3 times that left at min... at min.

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    Still 3 times that left at min... at min.
    Doesn't matter. Best Obama can do is pass a crappy healthcare bill before the dems lose a bunch of seats. That'ss not enough to make the left all hopey changey again. The styrofoam greek columns won't be making a comeback.

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    That pretty much sums up how the left views this presidency. Far cry from the Hope & Change of only a year ago isn't it.
    I never expected much from Obama -- just to be better than W.

    Mission accomplished.

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    There are many people who did vote for him that are livid with his continuing the Bush administration policies on terrorism.
    Not livid enough to go to the dark side though ...

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    History already says Bush ed up Iraq.

    Yoni thinks they are still translating the do ents.
    I guess you liberal historian wannbees say that. Others would disagree. There is not a good consensus on that with historians, therefore, your statement is invalid.

    Don't ask me to prove a negative. You know how difficult that is.

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    I guess you liberal historian wannbees say that. Others would disagree. There is not a good consensus on that with historians, therefore, your statement is invalid.

    Don't ask me to prove a negative. You know how difficult that is.
    OK, give me positive evidence that the occupation went smoothly and according to plan.

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    OK, give me positive evidence that the occupation went smoothly and according to plan.
    Isn't the news on the recent elections good enough for you?

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    Isn't the news on the recent elections good enough for you?
    If you don't want to answer, just say so.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I guess you liberal historian wannbees say that. Others would disagree. There is not a good consensus on that with historians, therefore, your statement is invalid.

    Don't ask me to prove a negative. You know how difficult that is.
    But we did ask Saddam to prove a negative to avoid war. It's good to see that a conservative finally came out and acknowledged this.

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    But we did ask Saddam to prove a negative to avoid war. It's good to see that a conservative finally came out and acknowledged this.
    We asked him to show us evidence he already knew he was suppose to, but he didn't.

    Far different.

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    Saddam said didn't have WMD,

    and

    the weapons inspectors (that dubya pulled out, Saddam didn't kick them out) didn't find WMD,

    and

    US military couldn't find WMD

    Looks like Saddam was telling the truth, and dubya/ head/neo-c*nts WERE ALL LYING.

    WMD was the Repugs smokescreen lie, along with mobile weapons labs, aluminum tubes, mushroom clouds, democracy to bloom in the M/E, Saddam-WTC, Saddam-AQ, "bad man" in their agenda to invade Iraq to grab the oil.

    The Repug lies have been exposed and do ented OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

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    Saddam said didn't have WMD,

    and

    the weapons inspectors (that dubya pulled out, Saddam didn't kick them out) didn't find WMD,

    and

    US military couldn't find WMD

    Looks like Saddam was telling the truth, and dubya/ head/neo-c*nts WERE ALL LYING.

    WMD was the Repugs smokescreen lie, along with mobile weapons labs, aluminum tubes, mushroom clouds, democracy to bloom in the M/E, Saddam-WTC, Saddam-AQ, "bad man" in their agenda to invade Iraq to grab the oil.

    The Repug lies have been exposed and do ented OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
    Idiot.

    He had them when we stopped short of taking Baghdad. We knew he had them. Part of the agreements that precipitated us leaving then, included him destroying and accounting for the know arsenal he had then

    He didn't do that. The known WMD just came up missing.

    Do you really believe Saddam's word that he destroyed them, without evidence?

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    Idiot.

    He had them when we stopped short of taking Baghdad. We knew he had them. Part of the agreements that precipitated us leaving then, included him destroying and accounting for the know arsenal he had then

    He didn't do that. The known WMD just came up missing.

    Do you really believe Saddam's word that he destroyed them, without evidence?
    So where do you think they are?

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    Idiot.

    He had them when we stopped short of taking Baghdad. We knew he had them. Part of the agreements that precipitated us leaving then, included him destroying and accounting for the know arsenal he had then

    He didn't do that. The known WMD just came up missing.

    Do you really believe Saddam's word that he destroyed them, without evidence?
    Seriously, how would you prove you don't have any?

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    Seriously, how would you prove you don't have any?
    Proving what I said, or proving the got rid of them?

    Disposal:

    There are various ways to prove disposal. He simply never allowed the participation to see them destroyed, and then one day, he say's they are all destroyed without evidence.

    What would you think?

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    Well, he's only a year in and look where we're headed...
    Yeah where are we headed? Recovering from one of the worst economic downturns since the Depression, caused by a President that like I state before isn't even considered the top worst Presidents yet.

    Not only that we are on the verge of health care reform something that no President has ever done before.

    You're delusional if you think that based on his one year in office he's coming anywhere near Johnson or Harding. And this administration is like every administration when it comes to corruption, although not as bad as Harding or Johnson..in fact not even close to the corruption of the Harding administration.

    And he's not nearly as incompetent as the last Presidency was.

    It's like I say, you'll say anything that isn't even remotely true. Simply stating them off your baseless opinions.

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    Still better than W.

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