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    I doubt most of the People here have even played



    All though I am sure to bring in 4 stuffed animals at Fiesta this year..
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    Who made this statement official? Anyone actually used the stamp? Must have looked like this.


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    The Spurs were +2 with the Hairston-Mahinmi lineup..the Cavs went 0-5 from the field and 4 turnovers against Mason-Manu-Hairston-Bonner-Mahinmi..

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    Right, we don't know anything. But the fact that he has only gotten 84 minutes in his NBA career is probably a good indication that he is not a very good player and/or does not fit in the Spurs' system. Pop and the organization see him in practice and know what he can and cannot do. Obviously, Pop feels that Bonner, Blair, and McDyess are better players than Ian so those guys get the playing time.
    ing A. Yeah, Bonner and Bogans deserve their minutes...


    Ian would get minutes if he showed Pop that he deserved them. But he obviously hasn't, so he sits on the bench, just like other countless players do in the NBA.
    Ian doesn't get minutes because he can't shoot the three.

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    Can't say if he is garbage or all-star yet, but he is most definitely raw. Unfortunately, he is gone after this season and too raw to contribute anything. I'd like to see him get play time so I can be entertained in a throwaway season, but not for some delusion of him turning things around.

    Now Hairston on the other hand actually has fundamentals and potential for immediate returns.

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    I'm sure all of the ST people on here that think Mahimni is a NBA player, will post on here next year and tell us what a great player Mahimni is becoming over in Europe, and with some more playing time he might even get a chance to start for his European team.

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    The fact of the matter is that both parties have an argument at this point, which makes Pop's handling of the Ian situation so ing frustating.


    Not one player on spurstalk.com or in Spurs fandom history has ONE ING CLUE as to how Ian would react with two or three games (two or three games!) worth of starter's minutes in a row. Not one. And we never will. Because Pop is stubborn, and in a season in which we are fighting for our lives just to get eliminated in Round One again, we did not give our most promising prospect a REAL ING CHANCE. If he travels three times in 1 minute, who ing cares if he played a total of 6 minutes over twenty games?

    This whole business makes me sick, and I've scoffed Pop before, but never as seriously and viscerally as I am scoffing him this season for his decisions.

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    Can't say if he is garbage or all-star yet, but he is most definitely raw. Unfortunately, he is gone after this season and too raw to contribute anything. I'd like to see him get play time so I can be entertained in a throwaway season, but not for some delusion of him turning things around.

    Now Hairston on the other hand actually has fundamentals and potential for immediate returns.
    He's not too raw to contribute on defense. He was, by far, the best defensive big on the floor against Cleveland.

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    I don't think Pop's a bad coach. I'm not calling for him to be fired. I don't think Ian is a superstar waiting in the wings.

    What i do think: I think Pop's handling of the Ian situation is so extremely puzzling that i don't even see the reason why he hasnt just been released from the team. It makes no sense, whatsoever. I also think Pop's rotations have been a detriment to the team. He's got a team of new players and he's treating them like they're a bunch of seasoned vets in the Spurs system. He's mixing up their minutes with seemingly no rhyme or reason and acting like it shouldn't affect their games. Well...At this point, it's fairly obvious that no one has developed any kind of rhythm or hot streak.

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    He's not too raw to contribute on defense. He was, by far, the best defensive big on the floor against Cleveland.
    So basically Mahimni can be groomed to become a bigger version of Keith Bogans.

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    Has it every possibly occurred to anyone that we drafted a guy who just isnt what we were expecting and disappointed a little? Or do the Spurs never fail to get a decent or formidable player through the draft?
    We should just move on and look for other young bigs who have similar skills and body, which is about half the other young bigs in the league.

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    The Spurs don't have any more time to invest in Ian Mahinmi, he's had 5 years to prove he can do more than turn over the ball but he hasn't done it. What a waste of 5 years.. get that scrub off the team. Maybe eventually some time down the road he can become a player, but the Spurs can't afford to wait another 5 years and waste their time trying to groom him any longer.. he's the opposite of Tim Duncan all the athleticism in the world but zero basketball I.Q. and NO fundamental skills.

    How about a nickname for him... The Big Non-Fundamental, The Big Waste, The Big T.O., The Big Waterboy, The Big-For-Nothing....
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    Ians mistakes I don't consider bad luck. This is a pretty young guy who wants to play in the league. I believe that the kid will settle down once he is used to playing on the NBA stage, not riding the pine. The more he plays, the more it won't be a distraction. I think he needs to work on his mentality when he hits the court and try not to impress. Just play basketball.

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    The Spurs don't have any more time to invest in Ian Mahinmi, he's had 5 years to prove he can do more than turn over the ball but he hasn't done it. What a waste of 5 years.. get that scrub off the team. Maybe eventually some time down the road he can become a player, but the Spurs can't afford to wait another 5 years and waste their time trying to groom him any longer.. he's the opposite of Tim Duncan all the athleticism in the world but zero basketball I.Q. and NO fundamental skills.

    How about a nickname for him... The Big Non-Fundamental, The Big Waste, The Big T.O., The Big Waterboy, The Big-For-Nothing....
    NBA career stats of Ian Mahinmi per 36 min : 22.7 pts 12.4 reb 3 blk (+8.1/10.2 FT)
    And he defends the rim...

    That guy sucks really big time !

    The bad, per 36 min : 3.4 to & 7.7 pf... All he needs is some playing time.

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    I'm sure all of the ST people on here that think Mahimni is a NBA player
    Name one.

    RIF.

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    The thing that doesn't make sense to me is if the plan all along was to dump Ratliff why did Pop sign him and play him for 3/4 of the year when those minutes could have been used to make an evaluation of Ian?

    Not like he would have played alot, but I don't think it would have been too much to ask to give Ian those 8-10 minutes a game earlier in the year that Ratliff got plus maybe another 5 or so for 15-20 a game.

    You simply can't judge him on a few scrap minutes every 5 games there is just no way a player can develop any kind of confidence or rhythym. And especially for a young player who has logged so few minutes in the nba.

    Pop has kept Ian around for 5 years now through injuries and D league stints and now they are just going to unceremoniously dump him without hardly even playing him. It just makes so little sense.

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    I just re-watched the game twice and I don't see how any logical observer would come away thinking that Mahinmi was garbage or a scrub based on his 5 minutes.

    Yeah, he had a legit moving screen (same was called on Hickson earlier), and a consistent travel call (same as Hickson later). And a pass behind him from Mason that was attributed to him in the turnover column.

    But did anyone watch the rest of his time? He played defense. He contested shots helping his teammates. , he played a better first half than McDyess did. McDyess's first half defense consisted of zero help and slow feet, helping guys get open looks for both dunks and three pointers while McDyess would do a little fist pump of frustration and mutter to himself.

    And Mahinmi wasn't outhustled by Varajao. And Mahinmi at least tried to finish strong at the rim, something he really could be criticized for not doing enough of in the summer leagues and d-league after he got dropped on his ass in D-league a couple of times.

    Maybe Spurs fans notions of big man defense has been corrupted by smallball.

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    I just re-watched the game twice and I don't see how any logical observer would come away thinking that Mahinmi was garbage or a scrub based on his 5 minutes.

    Yeah, he had a legit moving screen (same was called on Hickson earlier), and a consistent travel call (same as Hickson later). And a pass behind him from Mason that was attributed to him in the turnover column.

    But did anyone watch the rest of his time? He played defense. He contested shots helping his teammates. , he played a better first half than McDyess did. McDyess's first half defense consisted of zero help and slow feet, helping guys get open looks for both dunks and three pointers while McDyess would do a little fist pump of frustration and mutter to himself.

    And Mahinmi wasn't outhustled by Varajao. And Mahinmi at least tried to finish strong at the rim, something he really could be criticized for not doing enough of in the summer leagues and d-league after he got dropped on his ass in D-league a couple of times.

    Maybe Spurs fans notions of big man defense has been corrupted by smallball.
    +1

    Ian plays hard and plays hungry. Same as Hairston. But neither gets the time of day from Poppy .

    Some moron (I think jjktkk) said he was a terribly fundamentally flawed player. Yet the guy always plays above average defense, sets great screens and is a good passer. The only time he gets into trouble is when he gets physical with his defense and the refs give him the rookie treatment. And when he gets the ball in the low post and gets a little over excited and travels. With a little PT his confidence would soar and he would relax and not travel with the ball so much. And the fouls would go down once the refs saw him a little more and gained some respect for him. Heck, I noticed even Bonner finally got some respect from the refs for the first time in his career last night.

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    Ian plays hard and plays hungry. Same as Hairston. But neither gets the time of day from Poppy .

    Some moron (I think jjktkk) said he was a terribly fundamentally flawed player. Yet the guy always plays above average defense, sets great screens and is a good passer. The only time he gets into trouble is when he gets physical with his defense and the refs give him the rookie treatment. And when he gets the ball in the low post and gets a little over excited and travels. With a little PT his confidence would soar and he would relax and not travel with the ball so much. And the fouls would go down once the refs saw him a little more and gained some respect for him. Heck, I noticed even Bonner finally got some respect from the refs for the first time in his career last night.
    I wouldn't say he sets great screens. He's gotten better, but too often he either makes less than zero contact and doesn't hinder the man at all or gets pinged for the moving screen. But he's okay, and shown he can get better.

    furthermore, I just posted in the Hairston thread about his dunk that it looked to me on the replay like Hairston was open not only because Hickson was just standing around but because West went to block out Mahinmi after Ian got inside of Varajao.

    He played better than McDyess in the first half who was just dragging his leg around like he was making a new Thriller video. Considering the defensive anchor role Mahinmi's performed against Houston and some again with the Cavs, he looks promising. I might go as far to say that's already better as a defensive center for the Spurs than Elson was.

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    I wouldn't say he sets great screens. He's gotten better, but too often he either makes less than zero contact and doesn't hinder the man at all or gets pinged for the moving screen. But he's okay, and shown he can get better.

    furthermore, I just posted in the Hairston thread about his dunk that it looked to me on the replay like Hairston was open not only because Hickson was just standing around but because West went to block out Mahinmi after Ian got inside of Varajao.

    He played better than McDyess in the first half who was just dragging his leg around like he was making a new Thriller video. Considering the defensive anchor role Mahinmi's performed against Houston and some again with the Cavs, he looks promising. I might go as far to say that's already better as a defensive center for the Spurs than Elson was.
    Yah, I thought of that right after I posted the comment about his nasty little screen that nearly knocked some cav out last night.

    You really can't fault him for that too much, though. Moving screens are one of the toughest calls to make for the officials, I still haven't figured out what exactly they consider a moving screen and and what is acceptable. It almost seems to be a judgement call that varies from ref to ref. So how far can your legs stick out for it to be considered a trip? Can you move your upper body into the player as he passes you? Both happen all the time with no call. And then of course if your a raw young player that looks the part (like Ian) they will ring you up every time.

    It's one of those calls that you won't see for 3/4 of the game then all of a sudden the same thing will get called out of the blue.

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    5 minutes of play gets an entire Ian sucks thread, I'm trying out for the Spurs this summer to see how many thread I get about how bad I suck and shouldn't have tried out so when I have one good game I can have the ultimate compliment thread.

    I take it you all missed his Nets performance as this game proves your point emphatically.

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    I can't wait for this same conversation to go on next season about Splitter instead of Ian.
    Um, no. You see, Tiago is a basketball player. He's been playing pro/club ball of some sort longer than Ian has played any kind of ball. That's the real problem with Ian: he isn't a basketball player. He's just an athlete.

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    5 minutes of play gets an entire Ian sucks thread, I'm trying out for the Spurs this summer to see how many thread I get about how bad I suck and shouldn't have tried out so when I have one good game I can have the ultimate compliment thread.

    I take it you all missed his Nets performance as this game proves your point emphatically.
    @ Nets.

    You do understand that they are making a run at history, and not in a good way, right? They may be the worst team IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA! They're not just a bad team, they're a bad team for the ages...

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    has it every possibly occurred to anyone that we drafted a guy who just isnt what we were expecting and disappointed a little? Or do the spurs never fail to get a decent or formidable player through the draft?
    We should just move on and look for other young bigs who have similar skills and body, which is about half the other young bigs in the league.
    +1

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    Um, no. You see, Tiago is a basketball player. He's been playing pro/club ball of some sort longer than Ian has played any kind of ball. That's the real problem with Ian: he isn't a basketball player. He's just an athlete.
    Uh, no.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Mahinmi

    Mahinmi made his impression on international scouts at the 2004 Under-18 European Championships in Zaragoza, Spain. It was there that he first caught the attention of international scouts, including San Antonio Spurs scout Sam Presti. After playing with the French national team he signed his first contract with the club STB Le Havre (France). He played three seasons with Le Havre, averaging 9.7 points and 5.2 rebounds per game in 2005–06.[2]

    In the summer of 2006, he signed a contract to play for Pau Orthez in France's top professional league. He averaged 4.3 points and 3.2 rebounds in 12.7 minutes in the 2006–07 season, helping the team win the French Cup.

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