Lakers suck ass

[Findog]

I'm curious if people think Dirk Nowitzki has become a selfish ballhog during this current Mavs streak and the winning has either masked it or justified it.

During the 12 game win streak by the Mavs, Dirk has put up:

21 FGA
7.25 FTA
2.9 APG
in 39.1 MPG

In roughly that same stretch since coming back from taking a few games off, that selfish ballhog Kobe Bryant has put up these numbers in 8 games:

21 FGA
7.6 FTA
5.9 APG
in 40.4 MPG

Kobe gets called selfish, win or lose and regardless how he plays. Dirk takes as many shots and almost as many free throws and gets fewer assists in fewer minutes. Has he become a selfish ballhog similar to Kobe during this Dallas win streak and the winning is just hiding that fact? Is it that there simply isn't nearly as much obsessive venom for Dirk as there is for Kobe? Just curious. I haven't watched many of those Mavs games.

In the game against Orlando, Kobe shot 12-30 while Pau shot 8-13. If you watched it, Kobe tried to do too much. IMO, Kobe taking 21 FG attempts a game is about right. Kobe taking 30 while their gifted post player only takes 13 is not right. I love Kobe, but he deserves to be taken to task for occasionally lapsing into selfish play.

[TheMACHINE]

In the game against Orlando, Kobe shot 12-30 while Pau shot 8-13. If you watched it, Kobe tried to do too much. IMO, Kobe taking 21 FG attempts a game is about right. Kobe taking 30 while their gifted post player only takes 13 is not right. I love Kobe, but he deserves to be taken to task for occasionally lapsing into selfish play.

You dont think Dirk will take more shots in closer games in the 4th?

[Findog]

You dont think Dirk will take more shots in closer games in the 4th?

He won't take nearly triple the number of shot attempts as Caron Butler.

[JamStone]

What are the % numbers?

Dirk has shot well during that stretch, just under 50% while Kobe has had quite a few poor shooting games in that time and has shot slightly above 43%. But I see Kobe bashing even when he has a great game and shoots a high percentage.

In the game against Orlando, Kobe shot 12-30 while Pau shot 8-13. If you watched it, Kobe tried to do too much. IMO, Kobe taking 21 FG attempts a game is about right. Kobe taking 30 while their gifted post player only takes 13 is not right. I love Kobe, but he deserves to be taken to task for occasionally lapsing into selfish play.

Kobe had a really poor stretch in the second half of the second quarter through the third quarter. He also limited his shots during that time. I saw on ESPN that in the final 5 minutes of that game, Kobe went 6-for-11. He was dominating shot attempts but he was also the reason they were even in the game with Bynum getting manhandled and in foul trouble, Fisher, Artest, Bynum, and Farmar shooting something like 25% from the field and Gasol being a pussy. Almost half of Kobe's shots were in the fourth quarter after it was clear the rest of the team was stinking it up and when you want your superstar to take over. He didn't shoot a great percentage. He went something like 0-for-6 or 0-for-7 in the second and third quarters. He shot the ball well in the fourth quarter, when you want him to. His selfishness in that particular game was more about how the game was going.

He can absolutely be a ballhog at times. But, it's not always the entire story to bottomline it about him being selfish.

[NBAfan83]

Dirk has shot well during that stretch, just under 50% while Kobe has had quite a few poor shooting games in that time and has shot slightly above 43%. But I see Kobe bashing even when he has a great game and shoots a high percentage.




Kobe had a really poor stretch in the second half of the second quarter through the third quarter. He also limited his shots during that time. I saw on ESPN that in the final 5 minutes of that game, Kobe went 6-for-11. He was dominating shot attempts but he was also the reason they were even in the game with Bynum getting manhandled and in foul trouble, Fisher, Artest, Bynum, and Farmar shooting something like 25% from the field and Gasol being a pussy. Almost half of Kobe's shots were in the fourth quarter after it was clear the rest of the team was stinking it up and when you want your superstar to take over. He didn't shoot a great percentage. He went something like 0-for-6 or 0-for-7 in the second and third quarters. He shot the ball well in the fourth quarter, when you want him to. His selfishness in that particular game was more about how the game was going.

He can absolutely be a ballhog at times. But, it's not always the entire story to bottomline it about him being selfish.

just out of curiosity, do you think if Kobe didn't bother passing in the 1-3rd quarter, LA would have blown out the Magic? I mean it seems people are arguing that the rest of the lakers were sucking, and kobe should have just taken all the shots or at least most of it from 1-4th quarter.

[TheMACHINE]

just out of curiosity, do you think if Kobe didn't bother passing in the 1-3rd quarter, LA would have blown out the Magic? I mean it seems people are arguing that the rest of the lakers were sucking, and kobe should have just taken all the shots or at least most of it from 1-4th quarter.

did you watch the game in the first half? Did you see Bynum in foul trouble and gasol getting stripped and passing the ball out. Everyone gets touches, whether they shoot the ball is up to them.

[TheMACHINE]

At the end of the day, the Lakers lost by two points against the Eastern Conference Champions on the road with a shot that Kobe is comfortable taking.

If anything, the game showed that the Lakers can actually play physical.

[JamStone]

just out of curiosity, do you think if Kobe didn't bother passing in the 1-3rd quarter, LA would have blown out the Magic? I mean it seems people are arguing that the rest of the lakers were sucking, and kobe should have just taken all the shots or at least most of it from 1-4th quarter.

Kobe had 7 assists in the game, 6 of them came in the first three quarters. 6 assists for a game is good especially for a ballhog who doesn't pass the ball. In three quarters, it's very good.

This is what I've been trying to say. So often, people unnecessarily and inaccurately criticize Kobe. Kobe isn't perfect and isn't the most unselfish player. He is and can be a ballhog. But, he's not nearly as bad as many Kobe haters make him out to be.

[Kyle Orton]

Jamstone is usually a great poster, but its always sad to see him stroke Kobe off like this.

[in2deep]

At the end of the day, the Lakers lost by two points against the Eastern Conference Champions on the road with a shot that Kobe is comfortable taking.

If anything, the game showed that the Lakers can actually play physical.

oh but I thought the lakers were gonna win 72 games

[JamStone]

Lmao, I'm just balancing the ST universe because the Kobe hate is strong here.

[TheMACHINE]

oh but I thought the lakers were gonna win 72 games

83 games, get your facts straight.

[mogrovejo]

It's amazing that some people still can't tell the difference between a shot-hog and a ball-hog.