It's official: Mahinmi is garbage

[Obstructed_View]

So basically Mahimni can be groomed to become a bigger version of Keith Bogans.

Mahinmi played better defense last night than Tim Duncan or Antonio McDyess.

[Obstructed_View]

Um, no. You see, Tiago is a basketball player. He's been playing pro/club ball of some sort longer than Ian has played any kind of ball. That's the real problem with Ian: he isn't a basketball player. He's just an athlete.

So you just don't watch him play for fear that it might threaten the opinion you married yourself to some time ago. When you dig in on an opinion, and you have to make ignorant statements like the above in order to convince yourself that you're right, what you do is let everyone else know that you either aren't paying attention or you're just willfully ignoring the facts. It's strange that you'd rather see the Spurs fail this season than take a chance that Mahinmi can contribute since he's the only person that can fill the role that the Spurs need the most in order to become a defensive team again.

[HarlemHeat37]

When Antonio McDyess got into the first five-on-five scrimmage of training camp with his new teammates, he knew what to expect of most of the other big men.

Once he found himself matched up against Ian Mahinmi, however, he began to wonder about a youngster with uncommon size and athleticism.

“I said, ‘Oh, my goodness, this guy is good,'” McDyess said. “I wondered why I hadn't heard more about him. I love his game.”

“I think this is really my first real chance,” he said. “My rookie year, I knew I was going to go to the D-League, so this year is my first chance, and I'm finally feeling good physically.”

“Seriously, I don't expect anything,” he said. “I just take what they give me. Sure, I'm going to get to play, but I don't expect 30, 35 minutes. I do know they're going to play me. I know they're going to try to see what I can bring to the team.

[TJastal]

(puts on Popsucker mask)

What does McDyess know, he's hardly been around the league very long. He's an idiot anyway. Mahinmi sucks, he's practice fodder at best. Pop knows best, he sees the practices you see. You should listen to Pop he's a HOF coach with 4 rings, got he knows more than u chump

(takes off mask)

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07-08 = 22 min
09-10 = 62 min

So Ian played a great total of 84 min of basketball in his NBA entire career. How can you make improvements with that bs playing time. That's less than 2 games !

Edit : 84 min = 53 pts (17/27) 19/24 FT + 29 reb + 7 blk

As a scoreboard check. The first ~90 minutes of some big men's careers

Ian Mahinmi 90 minutes, 54 pts, 30 Reb, 7 Blk, 19 PF, 11 TO

Mystery Big #1 86 minutes, 37 pts, 24 reb, 2 blk, 9 pf, 5 TO
Mystery Big #2 91 minutes, 17 pts, 25 reb, 10 blk, 11 pf, 2 TO
Mystery Big #3 92 minutes, 42 pts, 22 reb, 6 blk, 19 PF, 4 TO
Mystery Big #4 90 minutes, 23 pts, 23 rebs, 0 blk, 13 PF, 2 TO
Mystery Big #5 85 minutes, 45 pts, 33 rebs, 8 blk, 6 PF, 6 TO
Mystery Big #6 93 Minutes, 33 pts, 29 rebs, 8 Blk, 13 PF, 5 TO

The Mystery Bigs : Jermaine O'neal, Andrew Bynum, Anderson Varejao, Fransico Elson, Dikembe Mutumbo, Chris Andersen

More points (and associated offensive load) than any of them. He's out-rebounded by Dikembe - that's good company. He's a middle of the pack shotblocker. He's tied for the lead on PF, but I'd like to see how many of those are offensive, coming from him taking offensive load, and he leads the pack on TO's. Again, I'd like to see how many of those are a) Warranted - for example, he got one that should have gone to Mason last night, and b) How many are coming from taking the offensive load...

I really don't think he looks bad enough to dump...

[SenorSpur]

Again, we don't know exactly what Ian will be. Although it's should be obvious, even to the ill-informed, that he's got something. Perhaps he could help stop some of the bleeding along the frontline, but we wont know from the bench. He certainly is worth a longer look than what he's gotten. No one can tell anything from 5 min stints, on a once-a-month basis.

If the Spurs make the ridiculous decision to let this guy walk, let's see how fast Danny Ferry or Sam Presti pick him up. Think Ian would be a perfect fit for a young, already-athletic, OKC team that doesn't have a low-post center? If it does happen, it will be Pop's biggest folly.

[TJastal]

As a scoreboard check. The first ~90 minutes of some big men's careers

Ian Mahinmi 90 minutes, 54 pts, 30 Reb, 7 Blk, 19 PF, 11 TO

Mystery Big #1 86 minutes, 37 pts, 24 reb, 2 blk, 9 pf, 5 TO
Mystery Big #2 91 minutes, 17 pts, 25 reb, 10 blk, 11 pf, 2 TO
Mystery Big #3 92 minutes, 42 pts, 22 reb, 6 blk, 19 PF, 4 TO
Mystery Big #4 90 minutes, 23 pts, 23 rebs, 0 blk, 13 PF, 2 TO
Mystery Big #5 85 minutes, 45 pts, 33 rebs, 8 blk, 6 PF, 6 TO
Mystery Big #6 93 Minutes, 33 pts, 29 rebs, 8 Blk, 13 PF, 5 TO

The Mystery Bigs : Jermaine O'neal, Andrew Bynum, Anderson Varejao, Fransico Elson, Dikembe Mutumbo, Chris Andersen

More points (and associated offensive load) than any of them. He's out-rebounded by Dikembe - that's good company. He's a middle of the pack shotblocker. He's tied for the lead on PF, but I'd like to see how many of those are offensive, coming from him taking offensive load, and he leads the pack on TO's. Again, I'd like to see how many of those are a) Warranted - for example, he got one that should have gone to Mason last night, and b) How many are coming from taking the offensive load...

I really don't think he looks bad enough to dump...

You know its those 4-5 extra turnovers from the rest of that list of players that probably has doomed him with Pop and his legion of popsucker clowns. You can't make mental mistakes or you are branded a low IQ piece of trash indefenitely from that point on, not worthy of the PT to make improvements.

Great analysis btw, very telling that Ian is brimming with potential.

[SenorSpur]

You know its those 4-5 extra turnovers from the rest of that list of players that probably has doomed him with Pop and his legion of popsucker clowns. You can't make mental mistakes or you are branded a low IQ piece of trash indefenitely from that point on, not worthy of the PT to make improvements.

Great analysis btw, very telling that Ian is brimming with potential.

Ian has the type of potential that the coach seemingly doesn't have time or desire to tap into. If the decision to bring Dice aboard would've worked out, it would have been very easy to overlook this. However with Dice looking like the PF version of Finley, it makes the coach's decision to keep Ian on the bench for practically the entire season, a very stupid one. The issue of the Spurs not picking up his option, only compounds the matter alltogether.

[Stand]

If the Spurs make the ridiculous decision to let this guy walk, let's see how fast Danny Ferry or Sam Presti pick him up. Think Ian would be a perfect fit for a young, already-athletic, OKC team that doesn't have a low-post center? If it does happen, it will be Pop's biggest folly.

I can definitely see some people eating crow if Presti steals Ian from us.

[nkdlunch]

Jesus, after 3 years ppl are still talking about Ian's "potential"

his carrer is a failure. time to face it and move on.

[jjktkk]

Great analysis btw, very telling that Ian is brimming with potential.[/QUOTE]

Yep ole Mahimni is about to complete his 5th season since being drafted, 5th!!!, and yes he is brimming with potential, just not showcasing his potential. How long does a prospect need for the light to come on? Why is it that only certain ST forum members scream for Pop to play Mahimni more? Every day I read several NBA websites on-line, watch ESPN,NBA TV, TNT on THursday, and not once have I ever read that or heard on TV, that the Spurs need to insert Mahimni into the lineup. Never heard or read that Pop is making a mistake by not playing Mahimni. These NBA people on-line and on TV, are by most account, respected NBA analists, but I have never heard anyone say one thing about Mahimni. So the bottom line is whose opinion should you value more? The national media, which includes NBA reporters, NBA scouts, NBA analists, who are former NBA coaches and NBA players, or a certain group of Spurs fans just getting their 2 cents in?

[TJastal]

Great analysis btw, very telling that Ian is brimming with potential.

Yep ole Mahimni is about to complete his 5th season since being drafted, 5th!!!, and yes he is brimming with potential, just not showcasing his potential. How long does a prospect need for the light to come on? Why is it that only certain ST forum members scream for Pop to play Mahimni more? Every day I read several NBA websites on-line, watch ESPN,NBA TV, TNT on THursday, and not once have I ever read that or heard on TV, that the Spurs need to insert Mahimni into the lineup. Never heard or read that Pop is making a mistake by not playing Mahimni. These NBA people on-line and on TV, are by most account, respected NBA analists, but I have never heard anyone say one thing about Mahimni. So the bottom line is whose opinion should you value more? The national media, which includes NBA reporters, NBA scouts, NBA analists, who are former NBA coaches and NBA players, or a certain group of Spurs fans just getting their 2 cents in?[/QUOTE]

Dude don't believe everything you read from ESPN. I always take everything there with a grain of salt.

The stats Ian has produced so far being similar to some really good players in the league (past and present) should tell you there is something there that demands another extended look. And he's put up these stats in what is likely much more difficult cir stances (like minutes spread out of years instead of a solid block of games)

[tp2021]

Jesus, after 3 years ppl are still talking about Ian's "potential"

his carrer is a failure. time to face it and move on.

What a re . Not like he's been given a chance to play and turn the potential into success.

3 years of sitting on the bench means his career is over? It hasn't even began yet. Really, you just come off like a total idiot here.

You sound like TPark

[SenorSpur]

What a re . Not like he's been given a chance to play and turn the potential into success.

3 years of sitting on the bench means his career is over? It hasn't even began yet. Really, you just come off like a total idiot here.

You sound like TPark

Another voice of reason.

[tp2021]

Every day I read several NBA websites on-line, watch ESPN,NBA TV, TNT on THursday, and not once have I ever read that or heard on TV, that the Spurs need to insert Mahimni into the lineup. Never heard or read that Pop is making a mistake by not playing Mahimni. These NBA people on-line and on TV, are by most account, respected NBA analists, but I have never heard anyone say one thing about Mahimni. So the bottom line is whose opinion should you value more? The national media, which includes NBA reporters, NBA scouts, NBA analists, who are former NBA coaches and NBA players, or a certain group of Spurs fans just getting their 2 cents in?

*facepalm*

[anonoftheinternets]

its very simple, who's minutes should he take? bonner is playing well, blair is playing well, and we paid mcdyess well, if we are going to win, mcdyess needs to step it up like 2005, a rookie is not going to perform well in teh PO. If this was a rebuilding year, obviously malik and ian would be seeing a lot more play time.

[TJastal]

What a re . Not like he's been given a chance to play and turn the potential into success.

3 years of sitting on the bench means his career is over? It hasn't even began yet. Really, you just come off like a total idiot here.

You sound like TPark

For some reason this post just made me bust out laughing uncontrollably.

[galvatron3000]

@ Nets.

You do understand that they are making a run at history, and not in a good way, right? They may be the worst team IN THE HISTORY OF THE NBA! They're not just a bad team, they're a bad team for the ages...

you do know Ian played 5 minutes, right? You make a decision based on five minutes? Sometimes the critical thinking around here

[spurs50_]

Just because Mahinimi doesn't play doesn't mean he sucks. Are we supposed to believe that because Bogans is a starter that he can play? We all know he sucks.

[PDXSpursFan]

jesus, after 3 years ppl are still talking about ian's "potential"

his carrer is a failure. Time to face it and move on.

+1

[HarlemHeat37]

-He played in the D League and made the 1st team All-D League..

-He was hurt for the entire season last year..

-Now it's his 3rd actual year here and he hasn't gotten a chance to show what he can do..

Where exactly was he supposed to "prove" himself?..

[G-Dawgg]

NBA career stats of Ian Mahinmi per 36 min : 22.7 pts 12.4 reb 3 blk (+8.1/10.2 FT)
And he defends the rim...

That guy sucks really big time !

The bad, per 36 min : 3.4 to & 7.7 pf... All he needs is some playing time.

Ok buddy... now post how many fouls and turnovers PER MINUTE.. lol!

Face it, he's a project that the Spurs don't have time to cultivate unless they are throwing in the towel on the season. It is what it is, take it or leave it. He's not useful to the Spurs right now period. The things he does on the court don't make up for the errors, turnovers and the fouls. Anybody that thinks otherwise is just not thinking logically or they play too much NBA Live....

[DaBears]

If were basing all of this on minutes and getting in rhythm, How do you explain Jefferson the guy has played 20+ minutes a game in every game this seasopn and still hasnt found his rhythm.. And you'd expect a guy how gets a 30 seconds here or there to play well... Too me it looked like he had so much built up energy he could have jumped out the building... You can see he wants to do so much in that little time he gets, thats all thats happening there... I thought His "D" was pretty good altered 2 shots.. Sure he had 2 turn overs but he didnt take the ball up soft like TD either...

I think he really justs needs minutes, POP's is a wack coach should of played him more in this game.. ought to play him more since this season is garbage and were not going any where...

Cav's are a 1-man team and we could not even beat them...
I think were going fishing......

[The Truth #6]

He's played 82 minutes. That doesn't sound like much time to make an opinion. Given how mediocre many of our players are, it's just crazy he doesn't play.

Hairston doesn't play either - does that mean he's officially a bust also?

I can't see how anyone blindly trusts the coach's assessment of anything when Bogans is considered the "centerpiece" of the team.

I'd like to think Hairston/Ian playing last night was the harbinger of more to come, but it was probably motivation for Bogans and Bonner or something silly like that.

[nkdlunch]

What a re . Not like he's been given a chance to play and turn the potential into success.

3 years of sitting on the bench means his career is over? It hasn't even began yet. Really, you just come off like a total idiot here.

You sound like TPark

you seriously telling me he has not been given a legit chance????? Spurs kept him on the payroll eventhough he has been injury prone. They kept him on the team eventhough he obviously does not give Pop(or the rest of the coaching staff) confidence in the practice sessions. They even gave him chances, and he still shows the same errors he was making 3 years ago.

Even TP had lost faith in him when he said last summer "I don't think Ian is gonna have a spot in the SPurs"

99.9% of SPurs staff(the professionals who are involved and get paychecks from the Spurs organization) is convinced Ian is a bust. Only homer blind Spur fans are clinging to the hope that yet Ian "might" become the next Amare



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