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    While football is more brutally taxing, basketball is without question a much tougher long-term grind than football

    I'm sure all the retired NFL players with injuries that will affect them for the rest of their lives agree with you.

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    As far as Haywood we have no idea how bad his back pain is so it's hard to say. Lower back injuries you need to be careful with because they could lead to things like herniated disks if an athlete tried to play through something he shouldn't.

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    Football by far is more physically grinding than basketball. The average football player's brain looks like pudding at age 40.

    But basketball is no joke either. , when I developed lower back problems a year ago I couldn't even make T-Mac jokes anymore. Some days it's a challenge to get out of bed, yet alone participate in weekly pick-up basketball.

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    I'm sure all the retired NFL players with injuries that will affect them for the rest of their lives agree with you.
    most retired football players can barely walk and their entire body is crooked, but yeah as they say, NFL player careers are a "sprint" with all kinds of easy recovery time, and NBA players have the long-term deteriorating grind on their bodies.

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    I'm sure all the retired NFL players with injuries that will affect them for the rest of their lives agree with you.
    I meant that in terms of the season.

    Yeah, in the end, football s you up more because of the concussions, big hits, and . Im was saying that in regards to playing with injuries, it would be tougher to play 30+ minutes a game for 82 basketball games with a ed up back, as opposed to 5 minutes a game for 16 football games.

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    Though Gooden is bigger than Najera, Najera plays bigger (more physical) than Gooden. He can also space the floor for Dallas in that small ball lineup causing teams all sort of problems. When Najera first came here in the Humphries deal, I wasn't impressed at all. He has gotten much better since and is really working on his game. He is smart enough to be effective in a zone defense. I doubt Gooden could be effective in a zone defense. We need Haywood and Dampier back but Najera has held down the fort until then.
    What does this have to do with Gooden's contributions to the Mavs this year?

    Yeah, Najera is a decent guy to have on the bench as a 12th man. He's a great hustle/energy guy. But a 30 something year old player getting "much better" all the sudden in a couple weeks? get outta here with that son. Najera just made the adjustment and is starting to find his niche with the team. He doesn't bring anything Gooden brought to the table. For long stretches this season, Gooden was the only Mav capable of scoring in the post. Also, Najera won't ever give you a 20/20 game, ever.

    Anyway this wasn't a bash against Najera, I like him on the roster, the point is that without Gooden's contributions the Mavs would be a few games back from where we are, rather than 2nd place and only 2.5 games back from the Lakeshow.

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    No, you did that. I am saying that you shouldn't dismiss the 82+ game grind on oversized bodies doing things they were never intended to over the course of a career that lasts, on average 2 to 4 times longer than an NFL player.

    Hmmm I wonder why NBA careers last longer.......it could have something to do with the fact that like getting hit by Ray Lewis on a weekly basis is more physically taxing on your body than basketball.

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    And playing center in the NBA isn't really all about toughness imo. You've gotta be big and strong, you've gotta handle some pushing and shoving, but I don't see how they really put their bodies at great risk. Most of the banging that goes on is at very close range and not all that hard of impact.

    The only guys who really put themselves at risk in the NBA are the slashers like Dwyane Wade who constantly take hits in midair and crash to the floor. A slashing guard has to be about 100x tougher than a center.

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    Hmmm I wonder why NBA careers last longer.......it could have something to do with the fact that like getting hit by Ray Lewis on a weekly basis is more physically taxing on your body than basketball.
    no one takes big hits from ray lewis type players on a weekly basis. hits like that on receivers may not even happen for an entire year at times, and probably not more than 3 times over a season for your average wide-out. we see hits like that on a weekly basis in the NFL, but its happening to different players each time, not the same player getting smashed every week.

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    I meant that in terms of the season.

    Yeah, in the end, football s you up more because of the concussions, big hits, and . Im was saying that in regards to playing with injuries, it would be tougher to play 30+ minutes a game for 82 basketball games with a ed up back, as opposed to 5 minutes a game for 16 football games.

    Dejuan Blair has played a full NBA season with no ACLs. I'd love to see what would happen if someone tried to play a full NFL season without ACLs.

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    And playing center in the NBA isn't really all about toughness imo. You've gotta be big and strong, you've gotta handle some pushing and shoving, but I don't see how they really put their bodies at great risk. Most of the banging that goes on is at very close range and not all that hard of impact.

    The only guys who really put themselves at risk in the NBA are the slashers like Dwyane Wade who constantly take hits in midair and crash to the floor. A slashing guard has to be about 100x tougher than a center.
    I agree with this.

    But try playing with a jacked lower back. When you are down low going for rebounds, and other guys are trying all kinds of dirty tricks like pushes in the lower back when landing, undercutting, and all that crap, lower back pain is probably one of the most easily aggravated injuries for a center. I can honestly say ive played with a bad back for about 2 years now after I had a wreck, and getting pushed in the lower back when coming down from a rebound ING HURTS. and this is just against average pick-up guys, who are playing for fun, not dirty professional players trying to get every advantage they can get, and know how to do small subtle things that can mess you up.

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    no one takes big hits from ray lewis type players on a weekly basis. hits like that on receivers may not even happen for an entire year at times, and probably not more than 3 times over a season for your average wide-out. we see hits like that on a weekly basis in the NFL, but its happening to different players each time, not the same player getting smashed every week.

    I sais " like getting hit by Ray Lewis", I didn't literally mean hit by Ray Lewis every week. And Randy Moss isn't your average wideout, he faces game plans every week that involve shoving him and jamming him around at the line of scrimmage.

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    Mavs need to sign 1 more bigman for insurance purposes. Anyone that is 6'9 and taller will do. The last thing the Mavs should be doing is using Matt Carroll as an emergency big.

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    Mavs need to sign 1 more bigman for insurance purposes. Anyone that is 6'9 and taller will do. The last thing the Mavs should be doing is using Matt Carroll as an emergency big.
    Eddie Najera is supposed to be are emergency big. If two of our centers go out in the playoffs, we're screwed anyway.

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    What does this have to do with Gooden's contributions to the Mavs this year?

    Yeah, Najera is a decent guy to have on the bench as a 12th man. He's a great hustle/energy guy. But a 30 something year old player getting "much better" all the sudden in a couple weeks? get outta here with that son. Najera just made the adjustment and is starting to find his niche with the team. He doesn't bring anything Gooden brought to the table. For long stretches this season, Gooden was the only Mav capable of scoring in the post. Also, Najera won't ever give you a 20/20 game, ever.

    Anyway this wasn't a bash against Najera, I like him on the roster, the point is that without Gooden's contributions the Mavs would be a few games back from where we are, rather than 2nd place and only 2.5 games back from the Lakeshow.
    Forget what Gooden is capable of. Look at what he can't do. That is playing intelligently. Scoring and rebounding is nice and all but the little things like offensive awareness and defensive awareness are underrated. And he is a low percentage low post player. To me those are the worst type of players. They clog the middle and make slashing harder and yet they aren't shooting a high percentage or play defense. He is small ball without the advantages of going small like better spacing. And he has the worst +/- on the team. Yes worse than Barea. I guess you don't remember how poor our defense was with Gooden. Just look how Dallas played once Dampier was non-effective.

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    Eddie Najera is supposed to be are emergency big. If two of our centers go out in the playoffs, we're screwed anyway.
    I'd say if Haywood alone is out, the Mavs are in trouble. Dampier ain't doin .

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    Hmmm I wonder why NBA careers last longer.......it could have something to do with the fact that like getting hit by Ray Lewis on a weekly basis is more physically taxing on your body than basketball.
    I never said it was more physically demanding.

    I said that injuries occur and should not be made light of. I gave reasons why they occur that many people don't take into account.

    I am not going to call Haywood a pussy just because a football player may have had a similar injury and played through it.

    This is a prime example of an apples to oranges comparison. monosylab1k's logic is flawed.

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