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Hey, like my submission, the did get something. Only submission 5 (Sir Charles/Jeff H. is really up for debate IMHO) Others are pretty darned 1 sided, much more so than Sheed or Pau.
You could put a top 5 list involving just the Lakers. Apart from the Kobe-Vlade deal, here are some more one-sided transactions that LA was part of:
- LA traded Jerry Chambers, Archie Clark, and Darrall Imhoff to the 76ers for Wilt Chamberlain
- LA traded Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers and Junior Bridgeman to the Bucks for Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Walt Wesley
-When the New Orleans Jazz signed an over-the-hill Gail Goodrich to an expensive contract, per league rules, LA was to receive 3 total picks from the Jazz including first-rounders for 1978 and 1979. The Jazz finished with the worst record in the league in 78, and the Lakers won the coin flip with the Bulls in the 79 draft to select Magic Johnson with the first overall pick
- LA traded Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, Aaron McKie, Marc Gasol's rights and 2 future first round picks for Paul Gasol and a Grizz second round pick
- LA traded Shaq to the Heat for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant and a future pick (the only trade where LA got the short end of the stick)
Hey, like my submission, the did get something. Only submission 5 (Sir Charles/Jeff H. is really up for debate IMHO) Others are pretty darned 1 sided, much more so than Sheed or Pau.
I couldn't possibly disagree more. Caron was and is a stud. Had they kept him instead of panicking, they may have been in the Finals sooner. Caron>>>Odom.
Yes.
No P-Jax, no playoffs. Caron > Odom. Period.
Richard Jefferson for...oh wait
Other honorable mentions to the list:
- The San Francisco Warriors traded Wilt Chamberlain to the 76ers for Paul Neumann, Connie Dierking, and Lee Shaffer
- The Cincinnati Royals traded Oscar Robertson to the Milwaukee Bucks for Flynn Robinson and Charlie Paulk
- The St. Louis Hawks traded draft rights to Bill Russell to the Boston Celtics for Ed Macauley and Cliff Hagan. The Celtics used the same draft to also pick Tommy Heinsohn and KC Jones and laid the foundation for their dynasty
- The Seattle SuperSonics traded draft rights to Scottie Pippen to the Bulls for draft rights to Olden Polynice
- The Portland Trail Blazers traded Clyde Drexler and Tracy Murray to Houston Rockets for Otis Thorpe, who left the Blazers anyway at the end of the season
- The Phoenix Suns traded Jason Kidd to New Jersey for Stephon Marbury
- The Detroit Pistons get Rasheed Wallace and Mike James in exchange for Chucky Atkins and Lindsey Hunter in a 3-team deal
I would have included the Garnett trade but the Celtics' run lasted only for a year.
Odom is a matchup nightmare for every team in the league except for teams with similar players (Aldridge, Lewis etc.) Butler is great I agree, but the Lakers didn't need another scorer, they already had the best one in Kobe.
To be fair, this was about trades "since 1980."
My bad ... although the lower part of my list has post 1980 trades ...
Thank you for elaborating. Do you think it would have been possible for one of them to slide over to SF? Kobe would be a mathcup nightmare at the 3, and would have given him a chance to showcase that defense he is supposedly famous for.
For the Mavericks:
- Dale Ellis to the SuperSonics for Al Wood
- Detlef Schrempf to the Pacers for Herb Williams
- Mark Aguirre to the Pistons for Adrian Dantley
Somehow the Mavs have been involved in two Jason Kidd trades that should've been lopsided but weren't (Kidd and two scrubs to Phoenix for Michael Finley, Sam Cassell and the 40-yr-old virgin actually ended up being lopsided in favor of Dallas)
On the other side of the spectrum:
- draft rights to Tractor Taylor for the draft rights to Dirk Nowitzki
- Bubba Wells, Martin Muursepp, Pat Garrity and a pick that turned into Shawn Marion for Steve Nash
- Devin Harris and garbage for Jason Kidd and garbage
- Josh Howard, James Singleton, Quentin Ross and Drew Gooden for Brendan Haywood, Caron Butler and DeShawn Stevenson
Do you know how to read?
Without question this one belongs in the top 5 most lopsided trades of all-time...
Utah traded Dominique Wilkins to the Atlanta Hawks for John Drew, Freeman Williams, and cash.
Can you imagine the Jazz with Wilkins, Malone, Eaton, and Stockton?
Round Mound of Rebound never played defense. He said so himself.
Sheed was a top 5 man-on post defender from the time he was drafted until 2007. He could score and rebound too. Not as proficiently as RMoR, but enough where his defense made him the overall better player.
I don't like the trades involving picks, like the Kobe trade, or even the Nowitzki one.
Kobe threatened to play in Europe if he wasn't picked by LA of Philly, so Charlotte traded the pick. If they never had Kobe, not even a shot at having Kobe, how could they trade him? The Bucks wanted Taylor, not Dirk - it was a scouting/drafting mistake, not exactly a bad trade. Ditto for the Parish trade, the Warriors brass could have picked McHale and Andrew Toney with the picks they got and that would make it a good trade for them. They drafted wrongly and that's what made it an awful trade.
Barkley made the HoF and is on the top 50 players ever list. Sheed isn't gonna sniff either one of those. Sheed was a better defender, yeah, but Chuck is one of the best rebounders of all time and could be the centerpiece of a teams' offense. It's not even a close call.
No. Don't mistake unmet talent versus HOF production.
Barkley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasheed
It's about what you get. Not what you hope to get. You can have a Ford Taurus and Lexus LS and you could say the Lexus >>> Taurus. But if you fill up the Lexus' gas tank with human urine and the Taurus with premium gasoline, the Taurus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lexus.
Barkley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasheed
For the Cavaliers, trading what became the #1 overall pick in the 1982 Draft to the Lake Show for Don Ford and Chad Kinch. The trade was made late in the 1979-80 season and why it was made is unknown; the Cavaliers were pretty much out of the playoff race at that point anyway. All L.A. had to do was sit on the pick and watch gleefully as the Cavaliers imploded under the stewardship of Ted Stepien.
Of course, the pick eventually turned into James Worthy. Cleveland would have likely selected Clark Kellogg of Cleveland St. Joseph's HS and Ohio State, who was the biggest prep hoop star to come out of NE Ohio before LeBron James. Special K would have provided a major boost for the anemic attendance numbers at the old Coliseum. And he was a damn good player for the Pacers before his knees betrayed him.
Rasheed's potential was great. Never met his potential. But still played great defense and was a catalyst on offense. RMoR never met his potential either. But I would take the defender over the offender any day of the week. Defensive bigs win les. They don't have to be exclusively defensive, or DPoY defenders, but they got to D it up. RMoR did not. Sheed did. Both had 'tude.
And HoF tends to make light of defensive stats and ability.
I'd hardly call him a "catalyst" on offense. And Barkley really didn't underachieve. He was a 6'5" power forward who managed to out rebound and out play guys 5 inches taller than he was. Sheed had the potential to be Tim Duncan with a better jumper. He instead was a franchise role player.
Overachieving on 1 side of the ball does not excuse underachieving on the other. I don't excuse Sheed for his refusal to post, but he was an outlet passer like nobody's business while on the Pistons and terribly unselfish, to a fault. I am not saying Sheed is better than Duncan, but I am not saying Sir Charles is either...
Barkley didn't underachieve. With the weight and personality issues he had coming out of Auburn he could very easily have washed out of the league in a very short period of time.
It's fortunate he was drafted by a veteran 76ers team that had a great role model in Moses Malone; had he gone to a young, relatively leaderless team like, say, Dallas, he might have been an out-and-out bust.
Duncan is better than both, I agree there. Barkley was better from every single offensive perspective other than jump shooting. I know Detroit won it all in 2004 with Sheed, but if they had Barkley instead of Sheed from 2005-2008 they would have won at least 1 more le since he's the player who can step up and carry the load offensively that Sheed was too lazy to become. They're not even in the same class. One was a superstar and one was a role player.
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