Hollinger's greatest shooters of all time article

[cobbler]

Well, Hollinger separated the shots to make it possible to distinguish between 2's and 3's. Again some metrcis by him... Within the "normal" stats neither Price nor Nash have a 50/40/90 for their entire career. Nash is quite close though.

Of course, I don't want to take anything away from Nash and Price, both are/were great shooters, absolutely no doubt about it. But IMO Hollinger's metrics are just based on stats and somehow it seems he's using them just the way he needs it right now.

Nooooooooooooooooooo! Hollinger? Really? Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[BRHornet45]

and now Peja can't hit the broadside of a barn

[Findog]

Peja and Jason Kapano belong on the list of best pure shooters when nobody is within 10 feet of them.

[monosylab1k]

I don't get the Peja hate. The guy sucks now, but in his prime with the Kings he was money. He hit plenty of shots with a defender in his face, and while Webber was hurt Peja carried that team.

[BRHornet45]

Peja and Jason Kapano belong on the list of best pure shooters when nobody is within 10 feet of them.

son that isn't true. Peja actually still shoots well when guarded closely which is odd. its the wide open shots that he air balls.

[IronMexican]

Peja and Jason Kapano belong on the list of best pure shooters when nobody is within 10 feet of them.

I had to do a double-take to make sure Rogue didn't post that. Peja was killer in 2002.

[Pelicans78]

Dirk deals with alot more contested shots than most guys. Rare to see him get wide open looks.

[Pelicans78]

son that isn't true. Peja actually still shoots well when guarded closely which is odd. its the wide open shots that he air balls.

Peja only hits wide open three's and badly misses on wide open mid-range jumpers. He's making more layups this season, but he needs to be wide open to make most of his threes. I like him, but his contract has killed us the last two seasons.

[JoeTait75]

with Sacramento, Peja was sick. Hitting shots contested or wide open. As a pure shooter he's absolutely in the top 10.

I remember him missing the rim on a wide open conference-winning shot.

[mogrovejo]

You guys are misremembering.

Peja was never that good hitting contested shots, even in Sacramento.

He was spectacular hitting the open/lightly contested shot.

Eddie House, for example, was the opposite: he'd hit wide open/open/contested/heavily contested shots at a similar rate.

[BadOdor]

Sasha Vuyachic sons. there, I said it.

[cobbler]

You guys are misremembering.

Peja was never that good hitting contested shots, even in Sacramento.

He was spectacular hitting the open/lightly contested shot.

Eddie House, for example, was the opposite: he'd hit wide open/open/contested/heavily contested shots at a similar rate.

I can't comment on the difficulty of the shots but he neither hit them at the rate or fg%.

Peja career: 13.6 FGA .450 FG% 2.2 3PA .400 3P%

Eddie career: 7.2 FGA .411 FG% 2.9 3PA .391 3P%


Peja shot at twice the rate of Eddie for a higher %. Of course, Peja got more playing time so if you throw that into the rate equation, then they would be similar. But then you have to ask, would Eddies % go up pr down with the added time and additional shots?

[spursncowboys]

Miller and Ray Allen are in a league of their own as the two best shooters ever and Peja is a distant 3rd and Nash close behind him as the 4th best of all time. Players like Kerr who attempted less than 2 3's a game don't stack up to what Miller and Allen were able to do.

I would say that allen is in a league of his own. He had the best most pure shot, and follow through. I would put kobe at 2.

[Pelicans78]

Allan Houston is one of my favorite shooters on all time. He had a pure stroke. Beautiful form with his arms and legs.

[BRHornet45]

sons I guarantee you at the trade deadline next season Peja will be sent to the Lakers. expiring contract, he shoots his best games in the Staples Center, and the Lakers could use him off the bench. it will happen watch.

[endrity]

You guys have to remember that in 03-04 Peja was carrying the Kings to a great season before CWebb returned early to completely screw up the rhythm of the team. He still finished 3rd in the MVP voting for that year. You don't simply do that by hitting open jumpers. His back completely killed his career, and it has happened to other players before him, and it will happen to others later (look at T-Mac). But in his prime Peja was a lights out shooter. He also carried the Yugoslav team to the 02 World Champ le, by beating the US in the quarter finals.

[mogrovejo]

I can't comment on the difficulty of the shots but he neither hit them at the rate or fg%.

Peja career: 13.6 FGA .450 FG% 2.2 3PA .400 3P%

Eddie career: 7.2 FGA .411 FG% 2.9 3PA .391 3P%


Peja shot at twice the rate of Eddie for a higher %. Of course, Peja got more playing time so if you throw that into the rate equation, then they would be similar. But then you have to ask, would Eddies % go up pr down with the added time and additional shots?

There's a misunderstanding here.

My point is that Eddie House would hit shots of different levels of contentedness at the same rate - you don't gain a lot from contesting an Eddie House shot. Not saying he hits them at a similar rate to Peja.

[mogrovejo]

Predrag Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings
Shot Type - eFG%
Wide Open - 0.824
Open - 0.694
Contested - 0.464
Heavily Contested - 0.132

Eddie House, Sacramento Kings
Shot Type - eFG%
Wide Open - 0.429
Open - 0.515
Contested - 0.329
Heavily Contested - 0.417

[mogrovejo]

Peja was obviously great hitting contested shots, but it's his accuracy hitting open/wide-open shots that is truly amazing.

[cobbler]

There's a misunderstanding here.

My point is that Eddie House would hit shots of different levels of contentedness at the same rate - you don't gain a lot from contesting an Eddie House shot. Not saying he hits them at a similar rate to Peja.

gotcha... my bad

[poop]

reggie miller was the greatest all-round shooter ever and its not even close, hes made more 3's than anyone while shooting a % close to the spot-up specialists.
running sideways 3's, double-teamed 3's, fading away turn around heavily guarded 3's, HUGE clutch 3's, incredible contested game winners when everyone knew thats what was going to happen, pressur shots, taking over playoff games by drilling everything no matter what kind of shot...

Reggie Miller. by far. ray allen is up there as well. id put Dirt on the list also, one of the greatest shooters ever, but hes 7ft+ so his shots are far less contested than reggie's were.

[cobbler]

Predrag Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings
Shot Type - eFG%
Wide Open - 0.824
Open - 0.694
Contested - 0.464
Heavily Contested - 0.132

Eddie House, Sacramento Kings
Shot Type - eFG%
Wide Open - 0.429
Open - 0.515
Contested - 0.329
Heavily Contested - 0.417

And what is the criteria for the contested level?

[cobbler]

reggie miller was the greatest all-round shooter ever and its not even close, hes made more 3's than anyone while shooting a % close to the spot-up specialists.
running sideways 3's, double-teamed 3's, fading away turn around heavily guarded 3's, HUGE clutch 3's, incredible contested game winners when everyone knew thats what was going to happen, pressur shots, taking over playoff games by drilling everything no matter what kind of shot...

Reggie Miller. by far. ray allen is up there as well. id put Dirt on the list also, one of the greatest shooters ever, but hes 7ft+ so his shots are far less contested than reggie's were.

Except for that ONE big one that Prince contested him out of the playoffs with!

[Goran Dragic]

House is just a streak shooter in every sense. He has nights where he could hit shots over centers, and he has nights where he misses no matter how open he is.

[poop]

Except for that ONE big one that Prince contested him out of the playoffs with!

who cares, nobody hits them all, plus he was already on the decline big time.
anyone who watched him in the playoffs during the '90's, knows what im talking about. ive never seen ANYONE do what he did consistently