No, you didn't.
And lol about stale and old. You can't go a day without ing about Tyrus Thomas.
OH MY FREAKIN GOD!!!! Do you realize what you just posted? " If Mahimni were in fact as bad as everyone seems to claim, then why wasn't he trade(d) like Ratliff for a 2nd round pick?" Did you really ask that? If Mahimni is bad, why would a NBA team trade for him?
Sorry TJastal, but I agree with Cane. Ask yourself why would the Bulls want to so desperately to trade away a lottery pick like Thomas. I mean Thomas is long, athletic, can defend, board, and block shots. And hes young, what like this is his 3rd year in the league? Thomas is a immature knucklehead who is a extremely talented guy, but until he grows up he is an risky investment. If a coach known to be a disciplinarian and general asshole like Larry Brown can get under the skin of David Robinson, how long will it take for a hothead like Thomas to go off on Brown? Now I would of loved it if the Spurs could of gotten Thomas for expiring contracts and, or a 2nd rounder, but I'm happy as the Spurs didn't trade away this years 1st rounder, which will be a higher pick than ever in quite awhile.
Yea just trade one of the greatest Spurs ever for Butler and Haywood. You should think about applying for the Clipper's GM job.
That would be a great trade for the Spurs.
Complimentary players would not have miraculously turned us from pretenders to contenders. Haven't we taken enough risk on temporary fixes? Then you are stuck with these guys contracts for the next couple of years. How are you so sure these things would have worked out perfect because if they don't you have just exacerbated the problem. It's like trying to plug a sinking boat with bubblegum. Your wasting your time when in fact the whole boat needs to be replaced. If there was a clear cut deal i'm sure the Spurs would have made it. I have a feeling most the talks did include blair, hill, or manu which are deal breakers imo. Better to hold and wait til the end of the season, clear some cap space, see whats left after teams fight over the big names, and get involved in some sign and trade deals.
You guys talk like Butler and Haywood are trash. Butler straightup for manu would be a good trade for the spurs and then throw in a capable starting center which is better than what the spurs currently have at center and its a steal of a trade.
The spurs are not winning a le with the frontline weak as it is even with Manu on the team.
Look how well getting those guys is working out for Dallas.
Hill and Blair I would keep. Both are young and will get even better. Manu is the one that needs to be traded. Manu will cost you big $ this summer and is good for at most only a couple more years.
Manu had an expiring contract so he may have been desired in a trade at the deadline but I doubt the spurs even considered trading him. The spurs had tradeable assets but just did not want to make any trade.
So Haywood is the center we were after all along? And now you want to take Manu out and replace him with Butler? Manu has been the only thing keeping us afloat this season. So your telling me Butler would fill the void of Manu Ginobili? Now the team would run through Butler? Yeah that has championship written all over it. I'm glad you found a way to solve all our problems. There was no quick fix, get over it and wait til next season.
Thats a good possibility, but noone really wants to even discuss that might be another reason the Spurs didn't make a trade this year. It seems like its easier to crack on Pop and RC, yet noone cracks on Holt if he tells RC to cut payroll, like the horrible Scola trade. RC and Pop get the blame, but Holt should be accountable as well.
The spurs would be a better team with Haywood and Butler instead of Manu.
There is no filling the void, the team as a whole would be better. The major problem is an incapable frontline and Haywood shores that up some. Butler is a good player and has many more upside years left than Manu has.
+1000
To be fair the majority of us on this board were VERY HAPPY with the acquistions of Jefferson and Dice last summer. And Bogans, flaws and all, has given us everything we could expect from a min salary veteran. Obviously its their job and we're just fans, but pretty much everyone was onboard with this. Now the FO is stupid, which means we were stupid too last summer.
Picking Blair and forcing Tim and Manu to rest last summer (Manu especially) is looking like some very smart moves on the FO's part. Making Hill learn the point too has been useful So they make some good ones and they miss some. It's life.
It's weird how many of you say the FO made bad decisions last summer when you guys were all over their nuts and saying that the spurs will beat the lakers. IMO, RJ and Dice fooled everyone into thinking that the spurs were back to le contenders. So dont act like you guys were right all along.
However, the FO did flop in trying to get a player in the deadline. The Bucks got Salmons for pretty much nothing. The Spurs werent getting Haywood/Butler except in your dreams. Salmons was the easiest choice but i guess the FO wasnt interested.
Totally agree about RJ and Dyess, the FO did what was right at the time. Now hindsight shows the effect hasn't been very good, but it doesn't make the FO moves last summer totally wrong.
The Salmons thing is different, though, the Spurs had 11 million reasons not to trade for him, it was obvious they weren't going to add players with contracts longer than 2010 and no one can blame the owners if they want to get back under the lux tax next season.It's easy for fans to say how stupid it was they didn't add a player and pay him $11 million ( with lux tax ) for a season, but 11 million is a lot of money for a 4th/5th scorer.
well, we really don't know anything about the 2010 plans. (and I fear the FO doesn't know either).
if staying under the threshold is a priority, then we have to face much more disappointing moves than the non acquisition of Salmons.
because this will mean either no Manu or no Splitter for the next season. worst case: no Manu AND no Splitter.
what I try to say - if right before the deadline the FO got the order from Holt to stay under the threshold 2010, it included skip this season and call it a dynasty. no other scenario. if it was like this, then the FO didn't make a mistake. they just follow the instructions.
but what would be the logical consequence? it would be the start of a rebuilding process, including some significant move. considering how often the FO failed with their moves since 2006, I'm not very optimistic that they will make the right decisions in the future.
RC might be a decent facility manager for a well designed building (as he proved), but I really doubt he has the vision and the talent for playing the role of the architect of the Spurs future franchise. Pop had it, but I fear he is done. and the guy who has it (Presti) is gone.
however. back to the Salmons question. if the Spurs no longer believe they can be contenders, it was right not to trade for him. if they think they could be contenders for this season (and the next), it was a huge mistake not to get him. (assuming a decent offer was on the table)
considering our current wing rotation and the many holes (RJ's bad performance, Mason's inability) his impact would have been greater than most big man we could have got would provide.
You're right we don't know what the FO think so we'll see in the summer, right now we could only speculate.
On Salmons, he was gettable, we had the pieces and didn't get him, there were also no reports that we even made a proper push for him, these are the facts, I can only assume the FO didn't think he's worth it. For what it's worth I agree that adding Salmons wouldn't have made the team a contender this season. He probably would have helped, but not that much and thus taking on his contract wouldn't have been a wise decision in the long run. If you think e makes us a contender fair enough, but I understand why the FO did not.
I think the Spurs were only looking to dump RJ ( obviously failed ),also possibly looking for a TE to reduce the payroll or fascilitate a Mason/Fin move but for other expirings.I can see why they didn't want to add more salary to next year's payroll with so many questions looming, like national team play, RJ's situation, contract extensions, Splitter coming or not, health issues, luxury tax issues, etc. These are extremely tough decisions to make and evaluate without the need to add additional burden to next year's payroll.
As much as I like Manu, this may be the sad reality and Dallas got a steal.
Butler is the kind of gutsy player player like Manu that can take the hit and still score.
Haywood is a decent and tall enough big to ensure that all the front court duties don't fall in Tim's shoulders.
Not likely we'll be able to beat Dallas with their current lineup. Just too big and too strong.
Completely forgot that Salmons was available.
In hindsight, that RJ deal was a complete disaster. If we got Salmons or Butler instead of him, we would be in much better shape than today.
Also, nobody ever mentions that the coaching staff didn't do what they did to Malik Rose. That is, you showcase the talent early in the season so you can get a better trade. Did we showcase anybody that we did intend to trade? We did the complete opposite and kept that a players talent hidden deep in the bench.
Heck, why couldn't we have played Mahinmi more after his break out game against Atlanta. We could have gotten something for him if he were showcased more.
bogans sucks! you bogans, , Roger and Dice! those players dont deserve to be a spur! poor timmy, he wont get his 5th ring with these kind of ty teammates. ! i cant accept the fact shaq or kobe will get their 5th ring this year!
This summer is going to be very interesting. If Splitter joins the Spurs, is that enough to contend next year? And if not, does it make sense to resign Ginobili? There's a good possibility that the Spurs will have to gut it out next season and then rebuild around Parker/Hill/Splitter. And if they are in rebuilding mode, does it make sense to hold on to Blair, who RC and Pop have both have acknowledged probably will not have a long career in the NBA? The FO has a lot of tough decisions to make, and (sadly) a sign and trade involving Ginobili and trading Blair while his value is high might be among those decisions...
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