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  1. 03-10-2010 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
    Why is the full monty when it comes to liberty so unwanted? That is the question of contemporary American politics. I guess it's easier to scare people.
    I blame it on the boomers.

    I can only hope that the generation that voted Obama in (Millenials) continues to be pissed off at our current choices, and run in the future on platforms of liberty and less nation-building. Shoot, the situation today almost makes me want to run for politics after I get out of the military!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
    Bush destroyed conservatism's resurgence. It would appear that Obama is doing the same for liberalism.
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    At least Bush destroyed it by going ultra-conservative. Obama is destroying liberalism by going liberal-lite. (Cue comments from conservatives about socialized healthcare...
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    Bush had nerve; Obama is adaptable. For good and for ill, both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winehole23
    Bush had nerve; Obama is adaptable. For good and for ill, both ways.
    How's that saying go? "Stand up for nothing and you'll fall for anything?" I haven't seen alot of standing on Obama's part. Funny that; it's what made him so popular on the Left. He wasn't apologetic about being liberal, when he was a candidate.
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    Apologetic? For example, on the public option Obama frankly contradicts his former stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winehole23
    Apologetic? For example, on the public option Obama frankly contradicts his former stance.
    Which only goes to prove my point. The "old" Obama would have stood his ground on this issue; this one doesn't. Also see: Waterboarding, detention, marijuana, etc etc
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    I'm not so sure the old Obama was as solid as you make him out to be. He was still a Senator when he immunized the telecoms.

    Who's being too optimistic tonight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winehole23
    I'm not so sure the old Obama was as solid as you make him out to be. He was still a Senator when he immunized the telecoms.

    Who's being too optimistic tonight?
    Ha! Pessimistic tonight obviously, and optimistic before he was elected!

    I think the telecom vote was the first noticeable "back-down", and would seem to not be an isolated incident.
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