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    Ain't over 'till its over MaNuMaNiAc's Avatar
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    i don't want him to play but i understand why he'd want to.
    Hey, he can do as he pleases. Seems to me though, that he's the one ing up his relationship with the Spurs. Can you seriously blame them for not wanting to extend his contract when he's clearly got his priorities all ed up. He's not 25 anymore, he can't play all year long. He should get the message already. Specially now that he's been through this much . Christ, he JUST regaining his health after two seasons of being hobbled and he thinks noone's going to mind him playing for his NT again? I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.

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    Ya, that's why Manu has been talking about his contract situation all year.
    LOL He's been responding to reporter's questions and interviews. I doubt he is the one who brought up his contract to the media.

    "hey guys, my contract is coming up. Why don't you ask me about it?"

    mmmm no

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    It'll be more surprising to me if he doesn't play in Turkey than if he does...

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    Hey, he can do as he pleases. Seems to me though, that he's the one ing up his relationship with the Spurs. Can you seriously blame them for not wanting to extend his contract when he's clearly got his priorities all ed up. He's not 25 anymore, he can't play all year long. He should get the message already. Specially now that he's been through this much . Christ, he JUST regaining his health after two seasons of being hobbled and he thinks noone's going to mind him playing for his NT again? I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.
    i don't think he cares about his relationship with the spurs anymore. He was hurt the spurs didn't extend him a few weeks ago. And maybe he doesnt think the spurs will be contender next year.

    Lack of respect for the spurs for sure, but he feels like the spurs didn't respect him before.

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    i don't think he cares about his relationship with the spurs anymore. He was hurt the spurs didn't extend him a few weeks ago. And maybe he doesnt think the spurs will be contender next year.

    Lack of respect for the spurs for sure, but he feels like the spurs didn't respect him before.
    Bull . I honestly think he sincerely would like to play for his national team and help the Spurs be successful. Problem is he can't have the cake and eat it too. He's being naive, and his naiveté is threatening to with his team's plans for the future.

    That being said, this was only an interview. I'll hold judgement until he actually plays in Turkey. My money is on him not playing. He's smarter than that. I think this is just pandering to his home fans. Here's to hoping that's all it is.

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    he's just positioning himself to get a fatter contract.

    he'll agree not to play in the summer for extra $green$.

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    Bull . I honestly think he sincerely would like to play for his national team and help the Spurs be successful. Problem is he can't have the cake and eat it too. He's being naive, and his naiveté is threatening to with his team's plans for the future.

    That being said, this was only an interview. I'll hold judgement until he actually plays in Turkey. My money is on him not playing. He's smarter than that. I think this is just pandering to his home fans. Here's to hoping that's all it is.

    do argie media and fans put pressure on him to play?

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    basketball player wants to play basketball, risk of injury possible, stop the presses!

    and its not about manu giving more to the arg. national team. Its just about playing basketball with his friends one last time. nobody wants their last game with their favorite jersey to be 10 minutes and an injury.

    but i suppose its much better when the injury is from NBA basketball, like tony's now. its such a relief that happened for the team that pays his salary, this way when the team goes out shorthanded we have the comfort of knowing it happened on company time, not playing for some silly international tournament.

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    LOL He's been responding to reporter's questions and interviews. I doubt he is the one who brought up his contract to the media.

    "hey guys, my contract is coming up. Why don't you ask me about it?"

    mmmm no
    So he is going to play for the minimum then? He could have easily said his contract is not something he would discuss to reporters.

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    This article sounds a lot like this interview

    http://www.lanueva.com/hoy/nota/92128a44a0/1/55061.html

    And if the article is indeed the translation of this interview, I want to inform you that the translation sucks. "I am looking forward to playing (WC)" sounds like he already made his mind or that he has big chances of playing the tournament, and that isn't correct.

    Manu said: “a medida que se acerca la fecha del Mundial me dan más ganas de jugar. Pero lo dije un millón de veces: entran muchas cosas en juego. Lo principal son mis hijos que nacerán a mediados de mayo. No es fácil dejarlos solos. Además, no tengo equipo para la próxima temporada, mi físico no es el de antes... Es una decisión complicada porque por otro lado están las ganas de estar ahí”.

    Which means that he wants to play the tournament but he has a lot of things to consider other than his desire to play the WC (for. example: the babies, the contract, etc.) basically what he has been saying for a while now. So stop freaking out, this is old news.

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    It's not the fact it is old news. It has to do with this looming and important decisionand how it effects the Spurs moving forward. Just bc the article is re-hashed does not mean it is not a reminder of the existing problem.

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    CROFL Fiba just translating something we already covered on here on the Ole Article thread

    This is not new... just a translation of the Ole Article / Interview...
    this article is just a translation and quotes of this thread already treated.... [/merge] thread:

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148601

    CROFL?????

    First off, the thread you link to was not the thread with the Ole article.

    Second, the thread with Ole article does not include the quotes in this article.

    Third, the Ole article itself does not include the quotes in this article.

    Now, the webpage with the Ole article also includes a video. Perhaps Manu said these things in the video, but since they were not included in either the article or in any of the posts in the thread, the article in the OP presents quotes from Manu that I cannot find elsewhere on SpursTalk.

    CROFL indeed.

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    basketball player wants to play basketball, risk of injury possible, stop the presses!

    and its not about manu giving more to the arg. national team. Its just about playing basketball with his friends one last time. nobody wants their last game with their favorite jersey to be 10 minutes and an injury.

    but i suppose its much better when the injury is from NBA basketball, like tony's now. its such a relief that happened for the team that pays his salary, this way when the team goes out shorthanded we have the comfort of knowing it happened on company time, not playing for some silly international tournament.
    Again with the bull . Playing basketball with his friends one last time comes a distant second to his responsabilities towards the team paying his ing check.

    Plus, I know you were trying to be facetious about it, but nobody here is implying him getting injured is better one way or the other. He should be doing everything possible to minimize the risk though. That means prioritizing. The Spurs should be his number one.

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    This article sounds a lot like this interview

    http://www.lanueva.com/hoy/nota/92128a44a0/1/55061.html

    And if the article is indeed the translation of this interview, I want to inform you that the translation sucks. "I am looking forward to playing (WC)" sounds like he already made his mind or that he has big chances of playing the tournament, and that isn't correct.

    Manu said: “a medida que se acerca la fecha del Mundial me dan más ganas de jugar. Pero lo dije un millón de veces: entran muchas cosas en juego. Lo principal son mis hijos que nacerán a mediados de mayo. No es fácil dejarlos solos. Además, no tengo equipo para la próxima temporada, mi físico no es el de antes... Es una decisión complicada porque por otro lado están las ganas de estar ahí”.

    Which means that he wants to play the tournament but he has a lot of things to consider other than his desire to play the WC (for. example: the babies, the contract, etc.) basically what he has been saying for a while now. So stop freaking out, this is old news.
    ok, now this is different. Completely. Sounds like he is weighting his options rather than making up his mind.

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    It'll be more surprising to me if he doesn't play in Turkey than if he does...
    Exactly.

    All of this is why I believe that Manu will be playing elsewhere next season. Some team with cap space, and a willingness to acquiesce to Manu offseason desires, will likely offer him a contract that's out of the Spurs range.

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    basketball player wants to play basketball, risk of injury possible, stop the presses!

    and its not about manu giving more to the arg. national team. Its just about playing basketball with his friends one last time. nobody wants their last game with their favorite jersey to be 10 minutes and an injury.

    but i suppose its much better when the injury is from NBA basketball, like tony's now. its such a relief that happened for the team that pays his salary, this way when the team goes out shorthanded we have the comfort of knowing it happened on company time, not playing for some silly international tournament.
    You've made this sort of case before, but you're missing the point.

    Of course, the source of a players' unavailability is irrelevant to the effect on the team, but that's not the point.

    Any team contemplating the offer of millions of dollars in guaranteed money over the course of a multiyear contract must balance the risks of such guarantees against the potential benefits of acquiring or retaining the services of the player.

    The benefits to retaining Manu are obvious. Certain risks are also obvious and unavoidable. He will soon be 33 years old and his skills could deteriorate rapidly. He could also get injured while training or while playing at any point during his contract. These risks are unavoidable. If the Spurs sign Manu they will assume those risks.

    Playing for the NT adds additional risk. The Spurs may decide that the risk of injury while playing for the NT, in addition to the unavoidable risks in signing Manu to a new deal, changes the risk/benefit equation to the point that they will not offer him a new deal. Some other team may be willing to assume that additional risk and we could, sadly, see Manu in a different NBA uniform next season.

    Manu has every right to play for Argentina this summer. NBA teams also have every right to factor that decision into the dollars/years they are willing to offer in a guaranteed deal. Clearly, had Manu decided to forgo playing in the 2008 Olympics, he would already be playing under an extension through at least 2012.

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    working on Manu's latest self written article translation for y'all...

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    CROFL?????

    First off, the thread you link to was not the thread with the Ole article.

    Second, the thread with Ole article does not include the quotes in this article.

    Third, the Ole article itself does not include the quotes in this article.

    Now, the webpage with the Ole article also includes a video. Perhaps Manu said these things in the video, but since they were not included in either the article or in any of the posts in the thread, the article in the OP presents quotes from Manu that I cannot find elsewhere on SpursTalk.

    CROFL indeed.
    Stop being a drama queen. FIBA didn't speak to Manu they translated the Ole interview.

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    Stop being a drama queen. FIBA didn't speak to Manu they translated the Ole interview.
    Ironic

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    i don't want him to play but i understand why he'd want to.
    Me too. He loves to play.

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    do argie media and fans put pressure on him to play?
    No.

    He's Manu Ginobili

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    Exactly.

    All of this is why I believe that Manu will be playing elsewhere next season. Some team with cap space, and a willingness to acquiesce to Manu offseason desires, will likely offer him a contract that's out of the Spurs range.
    Like a four year contract? I see the Spurs offering, at most, a two year contract.

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    Again with the bull . Playing basketball with his friends one last time comes a distant second to his responsabilities towards the team paying his ing check.

    Plus, I know you were trying to be facetious about it, but nobody here is implying him getting injured is better one way or the other. He should be doing everything possible to minimize the risk though. That means prioritizing. The Spurs should be his number one.
    as of right now, the spurs arent paying his ing check during the WC. and he has shown that he can play basketball with his friends and perform for the team paying his ing check. or did manu not play well in 05 after the olympics, or 07 after the wc?

    of course injuries suck no matter what, some people on this board need someone to blame and forget that though.

    my point over all these years arguing this same issue time and again (and not just about manu, all international players including americans)-
    if a player is thinking about minimizing the risk to his body while he is playing, he is not playing to the best of his ability. The players that play to the best of their ability are the ones that get chosen to represent their NT. They are also the most coveted by pro teams. Its not a coincidence. If manu thought like that (better minimize risks!), he wouldnt dive for loose balls, wouldnt drive into traffic, wouldnt step up for a charge, etc. If you dont have the courage to fight for a win, you'll have far less risk of injury, but also, no glory and no value to a compe ive team.

    manu isnt planning to go skydiving or snowboarding or basejumping. He is planning to play basketball, you know, the same thing he's been doing for the past 25+ years. I will respect his decision if he chooses not to play the WC, but will be disappointed if he is unable to do it because of some contract bull . he has every right to play. And if he doesnt have faith in his body, he should just retire, because he loses most his value as a player if he is minimizing his risks out there, be it for the NT, the spurs or estudiantes de bahia blanca.

    BTW, pop's managing of minutes has really worked out well for the spurs. it has kept everyone healthy and more importantly, the team's rotation and roles are in perfect synch.

    sometimes, its smart to be prudent. other times, low risk means low reward. This is basketball, not chess.

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    working on Manu's latest self written article translation for y'all...
    Sorry guys... Work got complicated though I have asked ElNono to do it for us all

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