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Are you citing Orlando from last year and the Jameer Nelson injury as a basis for this idea? I think the second TP is healthy, you start him. The team was playing very well right before he went down.
When you've got as many new guys as we have, chemistry will be an issue.
Are you citing Orlando from last year and the Jameer Nelson injury as a basis for this idea? I think the second TP is healthy, you start him. The team was playing very well right before he went down.
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I tend to want TP coming off the bench until fully recovered and getting nnto a groove. If Pop wants TP to start then I agree with Blackjack/benefactor about fipping Manu and RJ for TP and aomeone else. RJ as well as Blair play so much bettter with Manu than TP that it would be a disaster for TP to step in for Manu with them. I would like for those three to be the core of a unit - be it the 1st or 2nd - due to their obvious chemistry and production. So I hope Pop doesn't change a winning formula.
These last two games have been very nice to watch but ducks is right - it's the TWolves and Clippers. Let's see this kind of effort against other PO bound teams, especially those fighting for position if not the chance to make them.
I think some people are overreacting a bit to a 3 game winning streak against terrible teams-- sure, they've played the "best defense of the year so far" but it's against anemic squads. If they have the same success against the far superior upcoming teams, then maybe... remember, it was only a week ago that they lost to a true contender-- a Cavs team with no LeBron, no Shaq, no Z, and towards the end of the game, no Jamison. That's a pretty bad loss.
I don't know. We need to see how the rest of the season plays out. If they continue to play this well, and GH gets comfortable, I can see TP coming off the bench. He'll be trying to get back in to shape. And I don't think TP will have that big of an ego to understand that in this situation he needs to come off the bench. It wouldn't be a permanent move.
If we play teams like that in the playoffs, we won't need Parker at all.
Great news!
No, it won't be the best short-term, but it gives them their best shot in the long-term (as in playoffs). Pop had settled on Parker, Hill, Bogans, 'Dyess, Duncan and they had finally begun to find some rhythm and continuity; positive strides in a one-step-forward, two-steps-back year. So while some would like to see wholesale changes in the starting lineup in hopes of giving them their best shot at a higher seed, I'd argue doing anything other than what they've done wouldn't help them enough to justify the problems it would present once the playoffs arrive and Tony's back in the fold.
If it's Pop's goal to have this team playing at their best level possible, under these less than optimum conditions, and give them the best opportunity to do anything in the playoffs ... returning Parker and Bogans to the starting-5 in place of Manu and RJ is his best bet IMO; the bench is restored, Parker's given the best opportunity to succeed and the Spurs aren't left to re-visit why it is that RJ has been so ineffective for much of the season.
I understand the thinking of: 'RJ has to start in the playoffs. The rotations are shortened and he's one of your best, most talented players.' But I think it'd be a mistake to go away from something that has finally borne fruit; an arsenal and a full compliment of weapons is a nice thing to have, but if you can't use them effectively ... at some point useful weapons just become dead weight.
Completely agree about the margin for error; Tony's done well immediately following his injuries in the past ... and they better hope that stays true to form.
Because if it doesn't?
Dem boys be S-O-L; they needed a borderline miracle before Tony went down . . .
Rj was starting to play fine with tony in the starting lineup. actually those three games before tony went down were some of the best basketball we played... no way hill should continue to be our starting pg in the playoffs... i think people here are starting to forget who tony parker is.... he is a finals mvp. no way we bring him off the bench
RJ came off the bench those 3 games
I think we may see Parker come off the bench in limited minutes going down the stretch just to get his wind back for the playoffs. Hopefully the Spurs will play well enough to get him some garbage time the last few weeks of the season.
I've always said that TP would be a great sixth man. However, God forbid you mention Parker coming off the bench in here...people will crucify you.
no.. i dont like the thought of parker playing without duncan on the floor.. they compliment each other better than hill and duncan
Hill compliments Duncan just fine. In fact probably better because he has
3 pt range.
I'll wait till this "new" TP-less team beats someone before I say we can sit Tony.
yeah but parker is not the same 2-3years ago, bad thing about parker is his defence. its sucks very much, thats why hill and bogans should be in the line up together with parker to help on D. parker and JUST CANT PLAY TOGETHER PERIOD. when parker plays other players wont get into rhythm. if you guys want parker, we live or die on parkers play. if parker scores 30+ points we have chance of winning, opponents lock down a step slower parker, spurs are in deep . SO
i would stick with HIll and Gino who plays BETTER DEFENSE, SHARES THE BALL BETTER AND EVERYBODY GETS INTO RHYTHM AND CAN SHOOT THE 3! PARKER ON THE OTHER HAND SCORES BUT SUCKS ON D, SHOOT FIRST POINT GUARD WHO RARELY SHARES THE BALL AND CAN'T SHOOT 3s!(hill is better 3 points shooter better defender compared to parker)
pg - Hill
Sg- Gino
Sf-
PF- Duncan
C- Dice
bring Parkers ass off the bench
bench
pg- parker
sg- mase
sf- malik/bogans
pf- blair
c- bonner/mahinmi
stick with this starting line up of hill, gino, , dice and dunc. i believe in a 5th trophy. with parker in the starting line up, 1st round exit baby!
Hard to disagree with this, this is pretty much spot-on.
trade parker to the lakers for bynum.
That's a great idea actually
I guess what worries me the most about this injury compared to injuries he has come back from in the past is it's his shooting hand...and there is a good chance that his jumper is going to be a bit shaky. Teams are one defensive adjustment away from forcing him to shoot that jumper a lot.
The good thing is that his feet and ankles should be great so he should have all of his quickness back. This is why I think he would be better suited initially to come off the bench. He will be playing against backup guards and backup bigs that he can exploit with his quickness to get to the rim...because at first that is probably going to be his only effective weapon.
But as I said in the OP, this is a wait and see process. I think it can only be successful if the current starting lineup continues to play at a high level against all types of compe ion. We will know a lot more by the end of this month.
nice TJastal found a friend !
The lakers would do it in heartbeat!!!!!
Bynum is so overated + injury prone...
I have been mulling over the idea of Parker coming off of the bench and voiced it during one of the Kori Ellis episodes. Nobody said it was a great idea and thought I was TP bashing. I wasn't bashing him at all.
1. No PG can really stay with Parker except for maybe Devin Harris. He will have a field day destroying the bench of opposing teams.
2. George Hill is proving that his jumpshot is becoming an effective weapon. Especially from 3 which opens up the court more for TD to do his work.
3. Manu will be starting with RJ. Everyone knows that RJ plays better with Manu than TP. This will have to be a necessity. With Manu in the starting lineup I believe he can dictate the pace of the game and force other teams to play Spurs basketball instead of the other way around.
My only concern regarding this, is how will the production be off the bench? TP is a score first PG and I do not see how he can help the bench like Manu can. I think it all comes down to TP's mentality and how he can adapt to accomodate the other players.
The lakers would do it in heartbeat!!!!!
Bynum is so overated + injury prone...
Overrated? Yes Injury prone? Same TP
If they trade him for TP they will be very stupid.I would do it in a heartbeat too.Blair & Bynum will be great.
If the spurs are playing well and finding a very effective rotation, then bring tony off the bench and see how it works.
tony wont nor should he come off the bench. people here have gone mad. 3 wins against the puppies, clippers and d'antoni and were better without him... this team was playing great before he went down with that hand.... this team is going absolutely nowhere without tony playing at his highest level.
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