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  1. #51
    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    A guy who hits less than 30% of his closing shots can't be the best closer ever.

    The point is to make plenty of them at a good rate, not to take so many of them than even if you just hit a few you're still making plenty of them.
    you are right. I think sasha is 2 for 2 in closing shots...that 100%. I'd bet you would chose Sasha over Kobe to take the last shot.

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    you are right. I think sasha is 2 for 2 in closing shots...that 100%. I'd bet you would chose Sasha over Kobe to take the last shot.
    You aren't very sharp, are you?

    The point is to make plenty of them at a good rate (...)
    If you think that 2 qualifies as plenty of them, I don't really know what to say.

    But it's a good question anyway: how many winning shots would Vujacic make if he were to took as many as Kobe? More or less than 1/3 of them?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    But it's a good question anyway: how many winning shots would Vujacic make if he were to took as many as Kobe? More or less than 1/3 of them?
    would sasha have to create a shot for himself over the best defender?

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    would sasha have to create a shot for himself over the best defender?
    No, let's assume he's playing with a playmaker that passes the ball to an open teammate if he doesnt' have a good shot.

    Btw, have you finally understood the difference between "2" and "plenty of them"?

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    No, let's assume he's playing with a playmaker that passes the ball to an open teammate if he doesnt' have a good shot.

    Btw, have you finally understood the difference between "2" and "plenty of them"?
    doesnt matter...you use percentage as your arguement.

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    How sad is it that a Mavs boy ends up jocking for Kobe? Besides the evidence that Bryant isn't, by any stretch of the imagination, the best closer in history?

    Go buy a Kobe Lakers jersey and completely buy into the myth. Most hoops fans who have been alive longer than 20 yrs will just smirk on your behalf.
    lol I hate Kobe and was insulted when anyone puts him above Jordan. Nonetheless, he is a great talent. Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.

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    lol I hate Kobe and was insulted when anyone puts him above Jordan. Nonetheless, he is a great talent. Anyone that says otherwise is an idiot.
    Anyone who puts Kobe above Jordan is a dumbass. The only one who is better than Jordan is me. Stupid Kobe nuthuggers.

    Bow down to The King, es.

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    doesnt matter...you use percentage as your arguement.
    Wrong, it's part of the argument. It's basketball, the point is to make shots, not just to take them - because there's a limited amount of shots to take in any give game. Can't explain it better than this. If you don't understand the importance of hitting shoots at a good percentage I don't know what else to say.

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    I'm Mavs>Spurs bitch Allanon's Avatar
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    Kobe's shot 8 of 13 per Marc Stein in the final 24 seconds of 1 possession games.

    That's almost 62%.

    In addition, Kobe's 6 game winners (or 7 if you include Dallas) are the most ever made in 1 season by any player not named Kobe Bryant.

    Nobody's even close and Alvin Gentry is just giving his props.

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    Kobe's shot 8 of 13 per Marc Stein in the final 24 seconds of 1 possession games.

    That's almost 62%.

    In addition, Kobe's 6 game winners (or 7 if you include Dallas) are the most ever made in 1 season by any player not named Kobe Bryant.

    Nobody's even close and Alvin Gentry is just giving his props.
    If Alvin Gentry has said Kobe is the best closer this season he'd be right.

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    Great, now Jordan would have to come out of retirement and make a statement, then demand HoF give him another induction speech so he can bash Gentry.

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    lol Cavs with 0 rings. I think GOAT needs to win tons of championships. Cavs choking against Magic does not support Lebron's cause for possible GOAT.
    Not to mention their stellar performance in the finals.

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    Kobe's shot 8 of 13 per Marc Stein in the final 24 seconds of 1 possession games.

    That's almost 62%.

    In addition, Kobe's 6 game winners (or 7 if you include Dallas) are the most ever made in 1 season by any player not named Kobe Bryant.

    Nobody's even close and Alvin Gentry is just giving his props.
    I'd have to check game logs, but that doesn't sound like enough buckets or attempts... I think he has quite a few more. In the Bucks game, for example, he had 2 attempts... one at the end of reg, the other at the end of OT. He was of course 1-for-2 in that game.

    And Kobe is willing to give up the ball for final shots... nah, he probably doesn't do it enough... makes the Lakers' endgame plays that much more defensible. But it does make his success this season all the more incredible.

    He made a perfect dish for a game-winner in Memphis to Artest. Can't ask for a better look than that. Ron just missed it. It happens. If Kobe keeps making feeds like that good things will happen.

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    I'm Mavs>Spurs bitch Allanon's Avatar
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    I'd have to check game logs, but that doesn't sound like enough buckets or attempts... I think he has quite a few more. In the Bucks game, for example, he had 2 attempts... one at the end of reg, the other at the end of OT. He was of course 1-for-2 in that game.

    And Kobe is willing to give up the ball for final shots... nah, he probably doesn't do it enough... makes the Lakers' endgame plays that much more defensible. But it does make his success this season all the more incredible.

    He made a perfect dish for a game-winner in Memphis to Artest. Can't ask for a better look than that. Ron just missed it. It happens. If Kobe keeps making feeds like that good things will happen.
    Your posts are mostly good, nothing much to debate or nitpick about numbers. Suffice it to say he's been excellent.

    As for other options in endgame sequences, the Lakers don't have good clutch shooters. Only ones are Kobe, Fisher and to a certain extent, Farmar. Kobe passes to Fisher plenty, but he should mostly take it himself given the other options (Pau, Odom, Artest).

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    Your posts are mostly good, nothing much to debate or nitpick about numbers. Suffice it to say he's been excellent.

    As for other options in endgame sequences, the Lakers don't have good clutch shooters. Only ones are Kobe, Fisher and to a certain extent, Farmar. Kobe passes to Fisher plenty, but he should mostly take it himself given the other options (Pau, Odom, Artest).
    He's been better than excellent in the clutch this season... he's been off the freakin' charts... I swear in the Toronto game I had absolutely no doubt he'd nail that shot. Even though it was a "bad shot," it was just like there was nothing the Raps could do.

    That said, I would still like to see the Lakers to run some options for other players now and again to take final shots. Obviously guys like Fisher have taken and maken huge shots before. Pau's hit some big shots down the stretch, too. Do I feel as secure about them taking the last shot? Nope... but Kobe's likely to face double-teams in final shots as long as the Lakers are so predictable in their endgame sets.

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    It's amazing that people around here tell rocket fans to stop talkin about rings from 15 years ago, when other posters keep bringing up how lucky Hakeem was not to have to deal with MJ. In fact, Hakeem went to the finals twice in the 80's and had to deal with Larry Bird and company, while Jordan was nowhere to be found. Those rockets teams were derailed by injuries even then, and drugs, so don't act like Hakeem won rings it based on luck.
    Once.

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    4 rings from Kobe and 6 rings from MJ.
    MJ created an NBA dynasty from scratch in Chicago. Kobe came to a team that would have won 55 games without him as a rookie.

    And Shaq was the straw for the 2000-02 Lake Show. That isn't even a disrespect to Kobe, just the truth.

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    Where he dominated Boston's great frontcourt.

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    Kobe's shot 8 of 13 per Marc Stein in the final 24 seconds of 1 possession games.

    That's almost 62%.

    In addition, Kobe's 6 game winners (or 7 if you include Dallas) are the most ever made in 1 season by any player not named Kobe Bryant.

    Nobody's even close and Alvin Gentry is just giving his props.
    ha, Roger Mason jr. hit 4-5 game winners last season for us,should we put him in the discussion?

    id say Kobe is def one of the best, but regular season just doesnt carry the same weight as the playoffs.

    im not sure if id put Kobe ahead of reggie miller yet as far as that goes, maybe not even robert horry when you consider the sheer magnitude of his feats, and would def not put him ahead of jordan.
    derek fisher is right up there at this point in time.

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    the '95 houston rockets were the best closing team EVER. the most clutch team EVER. when their backs were against the wall, their entire team had a clutch factor never seen before. they had like 5-6 guys who were absolutely cold blooded in cruch time.

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