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lol i'll take anyone from that bobcat team.. they're like a team of athletic freaks.. O.o
they could supply that slashing SF we need
Please. We had a rotation of 3 bigs while Bonner was out: Duncan, Dice and Blair. The rest was small ball, which was getting murdered in the paint out there. If you really want to keep your veteran bigs healthy, why not give 10 mins a night to a guy that doesn't even need the ball in his hands, and still had something left in the tank? Again, the Toronto game where Pop had to change plans midway and introduce Duncan because we were getting murdered tells you all you need to know about keeping veterans healthy.
What risk? What is the risk of playing a guy on a vet min contract and ride him for all he can give you? And Dice was averaging 10 mins/game back then. So much for developing chemistry. Pop was so intent in developing chemistry that he sent Dice to the bench.
Either your memory is very short, or you just didn't watch the games. In either case, your BS is getting very stinky.
What minutes? Cedric Jackson played more minutes than Ian in the last two blowouts. Ian averages less minutes than Theo as a Spur this season.
lol i'll take anyone from that bobcat team.. they're like a team of athletic freaks.. O.o
they could supply that slashing SF we need
hope larry brown returns the favor during the offseason.
well it's pretty obvious that if Ratliff wasn't playing it's because he must have been terrible during practice.
The Spurs should have ground Ratliff's old bones into the dust rather than go small ball way too often then trading him.
Here's something Pop can 100% be criticized over. The exact skillset we need in the paint is Theo Ratliff.
what happened there Pop? Why sign him, never play him then trade him for nothing when he clearly has something left in the tank?
He's a vet so that's not what discouraged Pop (a la Mahinmi). He's got a lot of experience. He's still a terrific shotblocker to this day and he even has a tiny bit of offense still.
What, Pop? You knew in September Holt would need salary cap relief because your picks for personnel were insane even then?
Last edited by z0sa; 03-15-2010 at 10:04 PM.
Pop just dropped the ing ball here..and as much as he has meant to this franchise---he has also ed up and should be held accountable...
UNLESS...
Unless he ENDS up leading THIS team all the way---then he is a genius---and he will forever be UNTOUCHABLE---
because he has completely wet the bed ----SO FAR---
I may be naive---but I cannot give up on Pop----UNTIL---he finishes this season...
so far...it LOOKS bad....
but IF this team gels and surprises everyone---then the MAN WAS RIGHT...
IT IS A LONGSHOT
but given what he has accomplished so far...I am hoping he pulls one out of the hat...
lmao @ spurs fans thinking Ratliff would make a different
just another in a long line of epic, galactic screw-ups by pop.
ing popo
Forum fans don't have to like the reasons but they're there for whats its worth. Spurs have been playing it safe with veteran bigs especially those injury prone players which explains why small ball was used. Duncan's been averaging a career low in minutes so I think the Spurs do know what it means to keep veterans healthy especially given their history. That Toronto game was an example of that mentality, Duncan played less than 30 minutes but it was a bad move to sit him for the first quarter. However the game prior to Toronto, small ball prevailed for a W.
Damn you got haterade as well. Imo the passionate dissenters are the ones filled with BS; McDyess was not averaging 10 mins/game "back then". Pop was intent on developing chemistry, preserving his veteran bigs for the playoffs, and sending a message that bull won't be tolerated particularly when Pop sat McDyess out for Ian against New Jersey - all reasons why there were fluctuations in minutes played. I'm not saying McDyess wasn't struggling but he still was more important and contributed more. Their goals were apparent from the start: Dice was brought in to play alongside Duncan as a starter. Theo was signed to be a vet shotblocker off the bench for the playoffs.What risk? What is the risk of playing a guy on a vet min contract and ride him for all he can give you? And Dice was averaging 10 mins/game back then. So much for developing chemistry. Pop was so intent in developing chemistry that he sent Dice to the bench.
Either your memory is very short, or you just didn't watch the games. In either case, your BS is getting very stinky.
Never said it was a lot of minutes but garbage time is still time on the NBA court. Seeing Blair, Cedric, Malik, etc. grabbing minutes over Ian says a lot to some. Pop says Ian's a good guy but that he hasn't shown he's earned minutes; regardless with Theo gone it increases his chances of playtime (but not by much).What minutes? Cedric Jackson played more minutes than Ian in the last two blowouts. Ian averages less minutes than Theo as a Spur this season.
Last edited by Cane; 03-15-2010 at 10:32 PM.
Exactly! Always looking to the future and Jaffies will probably find another prospect flying under the radar, too.
Pop should be fired immediately.
LOL @ forum fans... what's your le? internet hack? What happened to TPark or EricB?
And tell me, how can you claim just two posts ago that we are extremely 'deep' in the front court bigs department, and now claim we had no other choice than to play small because we had to rest our bigs?
Especially when our only two legitimate shot blockers (outside of Duncan) were sitting on the bench watching small ball getting us murdered.
And the night before Toronto we played the freaking Wizards. A team that was 10-21 at the time, so please, spare me.
That was actually a typo. I actually meant 20 mins/game, honest.
And please, do tell me what message was Pop sending to Dice against NJ, when Dice actually played his usual 22 minutes in that game?
Also, it's so apparent that Pop brought Dice to start that 60 games in, he only started 33 games. Furthermore, how can you still cling on that bull that Theo was being saved for the playoffs, when you know as well as I that when the rotation for the playoffs get set, nobody that played less than at least 15 minutes a game is going to make it. 'Corporate knowledge' and all that jazz.
Everything is so clear to you, except that reality doesn't agree with you.
And really, the only one being a 'passionate dissenter' here is you. When that offer for Theo came around, Pop didn't hesitate one second in shipping his 'shot blocker for the playoffs' dude out of town.
Yeah, Larry Brown doesn't know anything about basketball... He's praising Theo just to keep his confidence high...lmao @ spurs fans thinking Ratliff would make a different
That's not what I said, I just said he wouldn't be making a difference if he was still here and we didn't give him away.Yeah, Larry Brown doesn't know anything about basketball... He's praising Theo just to keep his confidence high...
Now, that I agree with
I don't question the trade itself because Pop basically didn't think Theo could play.
good thing we have that 2028 32nd round pick.
Based upon how he's performing in Charlotte, it's clear that Ratliff could've helped the Spurs. Pop had absolutely NO reason for NOT playing him. Even if he thought the guy was brittle, that still doesn't justify saving him exclusively for the playoffs. If Pop had elected to play Ian ahead of Ratliff, I could understand. Instead, he kept both Ratliff and Ian on ice, and went small.
Pop gives Larry Brown Raja Bell and Theo Ratliff and Larry gives Pop... ing Jackie Butler and the team loses Scola because of it.
bahahah larry is simply jewing Pop, pop thinks hes a friend but in reality larry is just swindling Pop out of talent..ahahhaPop gives Larry Brown Raja Bell and Theo Ratliff and Larry gives Pop... ing Jackie Butler and the team loses Scola because of it.
It seems theo was not friend of Pop
dont get me wrong i love the situation in charlotte but dang that pisses me off when they said "he was instrumental in the orlando game" wow why would pop do this??? i have no idea, im guessing he thought we were really done, and now hes probably kicking himself in the ass. some things happend to pop that i think made him go back to the old fundamental pop, hes still not there but hes coaching a of alot better than he was.
really happy for theo and larry grerat people in the org.
Theo's a good player, always has been, and pretty much has exactly what the Spurs need in terms of game...the problem is he is injury prone as and has been since about 2001. I don't blame Pop for not counting on him for major minutes...it would be foolish to do so. For Brown and the Bobcats everything they do this season is basically gravy, so they may as well roll the dice on Theo for the rest of this season.
I won't say it's out of the realm of possibility the Bobcats make it all the way to the finals...Brown is notoriously tough when he has this kind of underdog team(as opposed to his stacked teams that usually underachieve)...but I wouldn't count on the Bobcats going much further than the second round...and if Ratliff stays healthy I'll be doubly surprised...Manu has ankles of steel compared to Ratliff.
In any case, the Pop Brown connection may not have paid off much in our favor lately, but we did get Speedy Claxton from Brown...and we did get a ring courtesy of him in 2005.
Brown's teams have actually done a lot of trades to benefit the Spurs in subtle ways throughout the years.
Ratliff was signed to be a insurance, end of the bench guy. Once Pop figured out his rotations, he probably knew Ratliff wasn't going to be in the regular rotation, so he traded him to Charlotte to save some money. I'm surprised at how well Ratliff's been playing in Charlotte, good for Ratliff. I wonder if this trade was initiated by Holt. You think maybe Holt might of casually suggested to Pop and RC that they needed to try and trim some payroll?
A real headscratcher yet to be mentioned on this thread . . .
there was a game early in the season, I'm sure it was before the new year, when Pop had Ratliff active, the bigs got roughed, Pop didn't play Ratliff. When asked about not playing Ratliff, Pop basically responded that there would be games when Pop would have already decided prior to tip-off that Ratliff wouldn't play that night.
Which produced the un-asked questions by the sharp SA media and their link-chasing attorneys . . . why would you have Ratliff dressed if you already decided that there was no way you would play him that night? Why not activate Ian if only for garbage time?
Indeed. Perhaps Mitch Kupchak should have Pop brought up on collusion charges, unless that protected second round pick comes through that is.
Probably?
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