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    No, like always, the democrats are being stupid when it comes to Israel.
    What is being smart when it comes to Israel?

    Letting them dictate our foreign policy for us and giving them $3 billion a year for that privilege?

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    How do their actions affect ours? They are all about protecting their own nation. Our politicians don't have a clue to what they deal with. When it comes to how Israel deals with it's neighbors, I think they are real softies.
    And you have a better idea than our politicians?

    Is it ok to embarass your allies? Oh wait, I am speaking to Mr. "freedom Fries' himself..never mind. You obviously like embarassing our allies when they agree with you but you are also ok with them embarassing the US.. how patriotic of you..

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    Netanyahu makes me sick, and the Israelis are becoming more and more of a nuisance.
    How are they a nuisance? What have they done to you?
    Stop building ing settlements, and stick to defending what you already have.
    They are at a constant state of war. , I would simply bulldoze away from my border as far as those mortars can go and plant some surface crop, or daiseys. Unless their neighboring nations are going to stop attacking them, I say Israel has the right to fight back as they see fit.
    I am somewhat sympathetic to them having to deal with constant security threats, but so many of those could be mitigated by reigning in the loony, conservative, hard-liners in their government.
    Then go over there and become a human shield.
    The US should start taking a harder line, and when AIPAC starts whining about it, give em' the middle finger. (yeah, right)
    Are you a Nazi? Are you a Muslim?
    The US should also make very clear that Northern Iraq is off- ing-limits to any Israeli aircraft, as is Turkish (and thereby NATO) airspace.
    Bad move. Israel would fly over if they needed to anyway, giving the middle finger all the way.
    This is in regard to any Israeli attempt to act out against Iran. If they violate it, shoot em' the down and teach them a lesson, one they wouldn't soon forget
    Why don't you move back where you belong, to Iran?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    How are they a nuisance? What have they done to you?

    They are at a constant state of war. , I would simply bulldoze away from my border as far as those mortars can go and plant some surface crop, or daiseys. Unless their neighboring nations are going to stop attacking them, I say Israel has the right to fight back as they see fit.

    Then go over there and become a human shield.

    Are you a Nazi? Are you a Muslim?

    Bad move. Israel would fly over if they needed to anyway, giving the middle finger all the way.

    Why don't you move back where you belong, to Iran?
    WC is losing it..

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    I see this as a direct challenge to Obama, and he needs to address at least as forcefully as he is, and perhaps more.

    Israel is an ally worth having. They should not, however, be the determinant of all US foreign diplomacy in the region.
    US diplomacy should not try to cir vent what Israel thinks is best for them. We are not a very good ally when we try to impose elitist liberal values on them.

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    US diplomacy should not try to cir vent what Israel thinks is best for them. We are not a very good ally when we try to impose elitist liberal values on them.
    WC believes the US is at its best when it cowers in fealty to its Israeli overlords.

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    WC believes the US is at its best when it cowers in fealty to its Israeli overlords.
    Wow...

    What an imagination you have to extrapolate such a view. Sounds like something a 3rd grader may come up with.

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    Wow...

    What an imagination you have to extrapolate such a view. Sounds like something a 3rd grader may come up with.
    You should probably review your responses to symple19 before declaring another poster immature.

    Tell us all your perfect Mideast foreign policy.

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    I have said for years that what is in Israel's best interests is not what is in American best interests. I think sometimes we have lost sight of that.
    Why?

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    Israel should keeping going against an

    THis administration bends over American enemies that adopt hard stances against American interests and is belligerent towards traditional American allies. I still remember when according to some experts here it was a smart move to defer to Russia in the ABM issue because it would buy the Kremlin cooperation with Iran. We've seen how that worked.

    So, it's obvious in the bests interests of Israel to act against the America interests as much as possible.

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    Because the US and Israel are not the same country. The two national interests are not completely coextensive.

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    Israel should keeping going against an

    THis administration bends over American enemies that adopt hard stances against American interests and is belligerent towards traditional American allies. I still remember when according to some experts here it was a smart move to defer to Russia in the ABM issue because it would buy the Kremlin cooperation with Iran. We've seen how that worked.

    So, it's obvious in the bests interests of Israel to act against the America interests as much as possible.
    Good, then we can stop giving them billions of dollars.

    It's no longer in our interest.

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    Obama has crossed the line

    By ISI LEIBLER
    16/03/2010 06:42
    Recent hostile outbursts by the US gov't must be viewed in the context that the US-Israel relationship has been on a downward spiral since Obama.

    The bureaucratic fashla [blunder] of our dysfunctional government to forestall the announcement of a new housing project in Jerusalem during the visit of US Vice President Joe Biden provided a pretext for the Obama administration to launch one of the harshest condemnations ever leveled against us by a US government. But while the timing of the announcement was appalling, it involved no breach of undertaking.

    In fact, the Obama administration had previously publicly praised the Israeli government for making a “major concession” by imposing a settlement freeze which explicitly excluded Jerusalem.

    The campaign was personally orchestrated by President Barack Obama. His Vice President Biden accused us of “endangering US lives in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.” Despite Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s abject apology, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton accused him of “insulting” the US. Obama’s chief political adviser David Axelrod even claimed that the Israeli government was deliberately undermining peace talks.

    These hostile outbursts must be viewed in the context of the fact that despite strong ongoing support for Israel by the American people, the US-Israel relationship has been on a downward spiral since the election of the new administration. Former Mossad head Ephraim Halevy attributes this to Obama’s determination to rehabilitate Islam’s global tarnished image.


    Yet his strategy of “engaging” Islamic rogue states has been disastrous. The effort to prevent the nuclearization of Iran by appeasing the Iranian tyrants backfired with the ayatollahs literally mocking the US. The response of Syrian President Bashar Assad to US groveling and the appointment of an ambassador to Damascus, was to host a summit with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hizbullah terrorist leader Hassan Nasrallah and ridicule the US demand that he curtail his relationship with Iran. President Obama did not consider this “insulting,” prompting the editor of the Lebanese The Daily Star to say that “the Obama administration these days provokes little confidence in its allies and even less fear in its adversaries.”


    The Arab League refuses to modify its hard-line against Israel. It insists that Israel unconditionally accept the Saudi peace plan, a full retreat to the ‘67 borders and the implementation of the Arab right of return which would signal an end to Jewish sovereignty in the region.

    THERE ARE now ominous signals that to obviate their failures, White House strategists are cynically distancing themselves from us in order to curry popularity by capitalizing on the anti-Israeli hatred which has engulfed the world.

    Despite continuously incanting the mantra that it remains committed to the alliance with Israel, the White House is not behaving in an even-handed manner. Obama does not disguise his animosity and repeatedly humiliates our prime minister. The administration “condemns” us for building homes, not in densely Arab populated areas of Jerusalem but in Jewish suburbs like Gilo and most recently Ramat Shlomo which most of us regard as Israel no less than Tel Aviv.

    Instead of condemning the brutal Palestinian murderer of an Israeli civilian in December, the US requested “clarification” after Israel apprehended the killers who the PA extolled as heroes. They failed to block a UN Security Council resolution criticizing Israeli police for protecting worshippers at the Temple Mount from Arabs hurling stones at them. They even condemned us for authorizing repairs on Jewish heritage sites over the Green Line.

    In stark contrast, the US has not publicly reprimanded the PA on a single issue over the past twelve months. It is unconscionable that neither the White House nor the State Department conveyed a word of protest concerning the ongoing incitement and spate of ceremonies sanctifying the memory of the most degenerate suicide killers and mass murderers. Not even when our peace partners President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad personally partook in these ghoulish ceremonies. In fact, during Biden’s visit, the PA announced that they would postpone a ceremony to name a public square in Ramallah to honor Dalal Mughrabi, the female monster responsible for the abominable 1978 massacre in which 37 Israelis including 13 children were butchered. Nevertheless the ceremony took place and the PA TV interviewed Mughrabi’s sister who stated: “This is a day of glory and pride for the Palestinian people. We must unite, and our rifles must unite, against the enemy who steals our land.” The US failed to register a protest.

    NETANYAHU HAS extended more concessions than any other Israeli leader. His government immediately agreed to negotiations with the Palestinians. In contrast, Abbas told The Washington Post that being confident that the US would ensure that the Palestinians obtained whatever they sought, he saw no benefit in negotiating with the Israelis. This scenario is now being realized.

    Netanyahu also overcame Likud resistance to a two-state solution and acceded to a temporary settlement freeze which no previous Israeli government was willing to consider. He authorized the release of prisoners and reduced checkpoints, even compromising the security of Israeli civilians.

    Yet, far from acting as an honest broker, the US effectively endorsed most of the Palestinian positions and is poised to pressure Israel into making further unilateral concessions.

    In a recent chilling do ent, reiterated by Biden in the course of his condemnation of construction in Jerusalem, the US assured the PA that the principal objective of the “indirect” negotiations was not peace, but the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and that parties who adopted negative positions would be dealt with “in order to overcome that obstacle.”

    Our relations with the US will now be further tested.

    Obama is surely aware that recent statements by his administration will only embolden the Palestinians and Jihadists to be more extreme in their demands, making it inevitable that the talks will almost certainly fail. Some may infer that this is precisely his intention. We will then be blamed for the breakdown and the US, with the backing of the Quartet and others, will then seek to impose a solution upon us.

    There are certain red lines which no government of Israel may cross. Netanyahu, on this occasion, must stand firm. The current crisis transcends political or ideological differences between Likud, Labor and Kadima. All mainstream parties should unite and convey to President Obama that Israel is a sovereign state and will not automatically bow to diktats of the US administration. They need to make the US administration and public understand that no government of Israel will agree to freeze construction in Jerusalem, the heart and soul of the Jewish people.


    We may not be a superpower but the Obama administration will hesitate to pursue a path which rejects the consensus of the nation. A demonstration of unity against the unprecedented attacks on Israel’s sovereignty by the Obama administration will also encourage the American people and Congress to publicly support and assist us to reaffirm the traditional alliance and bonds of friendship between our two nations.

    It will hopefully also encourage the Obama administration to relate to us with at least the same level of courtesy and respect it extends to rogue states.

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    Now I agree with this, but not for biblical reasons per se. I see it that the countries around Israel believe it is necessary to destroy Israel. Until the Muslims can be convinced that their religion is wrong, there will never be peace over there. Any concessions by Israel are a fools errand.
    You are such an ignorant moron

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    Simple solution, Israel: stop cashing our checks.

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    You are such an ignorant moron
    Thank-You.

    That's a compliment coming from you. If you had said I was intelligence, I would be worried with that coming from your viewpoint.

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    Once the US lobbies Israel on behalf of it's own interests in the region, it is hysterically accused of not playing evenhandedly and capitulating to anti-semitism and Muslim extremism.

    For merely disagreeing and expressing official displeasure at a rather obvious faux pas on the part of Israel. Right.

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    Thank-You.

    That's a compliment coming from you. If you had said I was intelligence, I would be worried with that coming from your viewpoint.
    Pfft...

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    I'm sure one can find a Palestinian editorial that's just as pissy.

    Still no explanation as to why Israel needs to be so reflexively obeyed by the US.

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    The double-standard and the anti-Israel prejudice is unbelievable. The inability of this Administration to stand up a single time against radical Palestinians - not even a word of protest for their barbarian acts - is appalling.

    One cant' avoid wonder why all this hatred towards Israel. Why can't Obama at least act neutral?

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    Maybe what he really wants is to interfere in the internal political process in Israel? Maybe that was the point of Leibler editorial.

    It seems to me that if this is the case this Administration isn't being very bright and their efforts will backfire - as per usual.

    Not to mention the factoid of using public resources and the diplomatic and governmental apparatus (and prestige) of the republic to aid a political ally in a foreign country.

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    The double-standard and the anti-Israel prejudice is unbelievable. The inability of this Administration to stand up a single time against radical Palestinians - not even a word of protest for their barbarian acts - is appalling.

    One cant' avoid wonder why all this hatred towards Israel. Why can't Obama at least act neutral?
    Why does the US need to condemn every perceived slight on both sides?

    What does that accomplish?

    Does it get Israel closer to its claimed objective of peace?

    Maybe what he really wants is to interfere in the internal political process in Israel? Maybe that was the point of Leibler editorial.

    It seems to me that if this is the case this Administration isn't being very bright and their efforts will backfire - as per usual.

    Not to mention the factoid of using public resources and the diplomatic and governmental apparatus (and prestige) of the republic to aid a political ally in a foreign country.
    Stop whining or stop cashing the checks.

    Or both.

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    The double-standard and the anti-Israel prejudice is unbelievable. The inability of this Administration to stand up a single time against radical Palestinians - not even a word of protest for their barbarian acts - is appalling.

    One cant' avoid wonder why all this hatred towards Israel. Why can't Obama at least act neutral?
    Maybe it comes from his "Muslim faith?" Before someone jumps on me for that, remember, his own words... "My Muslim Faith."

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    why fight a lost cause.

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    The double-standard and the anti-Israel prejudice is unbelievable. The inability of this Administration to stand up a single time against radical Palestinians - not even a word of protest for their barbarian acts - is appalling.
    Just last month, straight from the horse's mouth:

    Hamas's firing of Iranian-made rockets at civilian targets in the South "has to be brought to a stop," US Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told The Jerusalem Post after completing a tour of Sderot on Wednesday.
    http://www.jpost.com/International/A...aspx?id=108717

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