Modern Warfare 2 expansion pack is $15.

[z0sa]

That's a strong point concerning 360 games, but PC downloads is where MW2 really hurt.

Besides, I admitted it a greedy act by Activision. You just can't blame them or anyone else for it. Don't be surprised if this sets precedent on higher end DLC, even.

[resistanze]

That's a strong point concerning 360 games, but PC downloads is where MW2 really hurt.

Besides, I admitted it a greedy act by Activision. You just can't blame them or anyone else for it. Don't be surprised if this sets precedent on higher end DLC, even.

Well that why I say it's not about piracy, rather a simple act of milking the fanbase. The article stated the price for Xbox 360, not for PC.

You and I are in agreement that it's a greedy act -- so why do you think it has anything to do with piracy?

Because based on those figures I listed, your argument would have to switch to "Activision is overcharging for DLC on the XBOX 360 because of piracy of MW2 on the PC." Some thing about that isn't logically sound.

Don't forget that MW2 sold like 7-8 million copies on the PS3, where piracy is virtually non-existent.

[z0sa]

As straightforward as I can make it: Activision feels they lost tens of millions of dollars in sales to piracy of this game. They can make this back through DLC - players don't need to buy the game to buy the DLC. It's a debatable point, but the point itself stands. It's not a correlation=cause argument, it's simply enough of a correlation to make an argument.

[resistanze]

Well I guess we see it differently. I contend they haven't lost any money, and it doesn't make sense for them to overcharge on one medium because of apparent piracy on a different medium. If that's the case, Activision shouldn't limit this price gouging only for one game - it would make sense business-wise to overcharge DLC for all games they publish.

[balli]

z0sa, I don't know what Activision ever did for you besides bilk you out of cash for sub-standard games, but feel free to stop sucking Bobby Kotick's everytime you get the chance.

Every game loses money to pirates. Not all of them are fortunate enough to STILL garner over a billion dollars in sales. This is ing ridiculous. Even though I'm glad they're bringing Overgrown and Crash back (it would be more worth the 15 if they just gave us five cod4 maps). Hopefully the 3 new maps aren't as ty as the rest of mw2's.

[duhoh]

we're not talking about piracy, but the overpriced DLC.

no one is forcing anyone to buy that. it's optional.

[z0sa]

Every game loses money to pirates.

Does every game lose 5 million copies to pirates in a mere 45 days? Let's not go there. The piracy of this game is on ungodly, astronomical levels.

I don't know why anyone should repeat how much money or sales they made. I've agreed Activision made a load of money.

Activision thinks they should have made a lot more money. I don't have any special feeling for whoever you mentioned or Activision in general and I have yet to defend the price itself, but it's hard to disagree with piracy having a major effect on it.

I think the fact that they're only doing it for MW2 (thus far) helps prove my point. They're not charging more for the games that got pirated a fraction of the times MW2 has.

[resistanze]

Well, like I've repeated several times, when your game is the fastest selling game in history, you are more likely to have more copies of your games pirated.

As I've shown on the list, MW2 wasn't really affected significantly compared to other les. Unless you're talking in absolutes, which seems illogical to me.

Finally, I can't find anywhere Activision stating or implying that piracy (PC piracy, not 360/PS3 where most sales were made) is the reason for this ridiculous price for Xbox 360 DLC.

[z0sa]

Well, like I've repeated several times, when your game is the fastest selling game in history, you are more likely to have more copies of your games pirated.

Uh, why's that? How does fastest selling correlate to most pirated?

Just because a game sells well, doesn't mean the money that's lost is somehow replaced. You seem to think just because MW2 sold well, it's okay for Activision to lose a couple hundred million and just be nice about passing it down to the buyers.

I thought we all understood here that Activision is a greedy corporation ...

As I've shown on the list, MW2 wasn't really affected significantly compared to other les. Unless you're talking in absolutes, which seems illogical to me.

I conceded the point, but the problem is that a larger gross amount of MW2's were pirated - it's still a bigger problem for Activision than anyone else.

Finally, I can't find anywhere Activision stating or implying that piracy (PC piracy, not 360/PS3 where most sales were made) is the reason for this ridiculous price for Xbox 360 DLC.

I never said they did. I haven't seen any reasoning at all, though. One assumes it's because they've lost hundreds of millions to pirates and want to make the money back on us suckers who pay...

[resistanze]

Uh, why's that? How does fastest selling correlate to most pirated?

Easy. If we assume piracy affect all games equally (apparently not - MW2 doesn't seem to be as badly affected as others), then we expect a game that sold 20 million copies to be downloaded game that sold less than one million? It's not causative, but it's definitely correlative. The cause is likely because this game is more popular. People don't tend to pirate games like Rogue Warrior and Deadly Premonition, which don't sell well.

Just because a game sells well, doesn't mean the money that's lost is somehow replaced. You seem to think just because MW2 sold well, it's okay for Activision to lose a couple hundred million and just be nice about passing it down to the buyers.

I thought we all understood here that Activision is a greedy corporation ...

Nope, never claimed either. The point I'm making is there are games that 1) Sell far less overall 2) Are affected by piracy significantly more than MW2.

If the rationale Activision used for charging $15 is to recuperate speculative amounts of profits by raping their paying customers, then I no longer have incentive to buy their games. I should've downloaded MW2 rather than buy it from EB.

[z0sa]

Easy. If we assume piracy affect all games equally (apparently not - MW2 doesn't seem to be as badly affected as others), then we expect a game that sold 20 million copies to be downloaded game that sold less than one million? It's not causative, but it's definitely correlative. The cause is likely because this game is more popular. People don't tend to pirate games like Rogue Warrior and Deadly Premonition, which don't sell well.

So that's sales, period, not how quickly something is sold, which is what you said.

Nope, never claimed either. The point I'm making is there are games that 1) Sell far less overall 2) Are affected by piracy significantly more than MW2.

We could go into argument, there, as well. Sims for example. Look how many useless DLC/expansions they have ...

If the rationale Activision used for charging $15 is to recuperate speculative amounts of profits by raping their paying customers, then I no longer have incentive to buy their games. I should've downloaded MW2 rather than buy it from EB.

You and 5 million others..

[z0sa]

I could actually get into the argument that charging anything for DLC is bull , since you already bought the game - at least, that's how I feel.

[resistanze]

So that's sales, period, not how quickly something is sold, which is what you said.

I wasn't trying to imply the rate of sales correlated with piracy. I was correlating total sales/popularity. But I guess I could've made that clearer.

I could actually get into the argument that charging anything for DLC is bull , since you already bought the game - at least, that's how I feel.

Well it is bull for the most part.

Expansion packs? Sure.

Slapping together some maps? Barely.

Customized armor and that other ? outta here.

[BlackSwordsMan]

god damn you people paying 15$ for this
when developers see that you blind fans buy the dlc they too will raise the price for future dlc to 15$
15$ FOR 5 ING MAPS
mw2

[spurs_2108]

I'm buying It. Its only 15 dollars, if you can't afford that I don't know how you bought the 360 for over 300+ dollars and the game for 60 dollars.

[MiamiHeat]

I'm buying It. Its only 15 dollars, if you can't afford that I don't know how you bought the 360 for over 300+ dollars and the game for 60 dollars.

i specifically said its not about the money

its the content im getting in return for the money


5 ing maps, 2 of them from mw1.

the entire game cost 60. but 5 maps = 15 dollars? no.

consider that GTA IV had 2 expansions, and each cost 20 bucks, and it added about 15 hours of more single player missions, more side-quests, and 5 new multiplayer modes.

[balli]

I'm buying It. Its only 15 dollars, if you can't afford that I don't know how you bought the 360 for over 300+ dollars and the game for 60 dollars.

It's not a question of being able to afford it. If it cost 10 times that amount I could still afford it.

I just don't wanna grab my ankles while Activision straps on a lubed rubber.

It's very affordable... And utterly overpriced. (like MH & BSM said above, it's the principle and the precedent.)

[resistanze]

I'm buying It. Its only 15 dollars, if you can't afford that I don't know how you bought the 360 for over 300+ dollars and the game for 60 dollars.

I can afford to buy a Big Mac for $100. Wouldn't make me any less of an idiot, though.

[ElNono]

It's not like DLC's are not pirated... this is about milking this for all they can...
They can go themselves...

[redzero]

MW2's maps leave a lot to be desired. , I would say that the DLC maps from MW (Broadcast, Chinatown, Creek and whatever that last one was) are better than MW2's maps, and I don't even like any of them.

[DJ Mbenga]

lol people will be defecting to bc2 in big numbers now

[DisAsTerBot]

you're still gonna buy it, or maybe steal it...then talk about how ty it is and how you've prestiged like 4 times but you STILL can't seem to get into it.....

[balli]

mw2's maps leave a lot to be desired. , i would say that the dlc maps from mw (broadcast, chinatown, creek and whatever that last one was) are better than mw2's maps, and i don't even like any of them.

+1

[Cry Havoc]

Does every game lose 5 million copies to pirates in a mere 45 days? Let's not go there. The piracy of this game is on ungodly, astronomical levels.

Maybe it's because this game made money on ungodly, astronomical levels?

Goodness, z0sa. Do you work for Activision? Are you their PR agent? Seriously, I haven't seen this kind of incompetence in The Geek Zone since I joined Spurstalk.

So let's review. MW2 is thesmo fastest selling game in history, and made more money than any game or movie at launch in the HISTORY OF ENTERTAINMENT.

Their expansion pack is $15 for 3 original maps and two rehashed ones.

The same day? Battlefield Bad Company 2 is releasing a map pack as well.

FOR FREE.

To say NOTHING of the hundreds of other games that are released with free expansion packs. Ever played Team Fortress 2? They have added something like 8 maps, 2 play modes, and a ton of other features. Free. Fallout 3 added several expansion packs -- most of them were $5 more than MW2s, but offered a slew of new content and a huge story arc.

So tell me, what's the excuse here?

And you have the nerve in the past to call other people fanboys.

You are the biggest fanboy I have ever met. You're like a Mac user, only you ADMIT to being raped by a gaming company, and you seem to enjoy it.

Your logic states that if I run out and steal a $400,000 Ferrari, they can claim that I was definitely going to buy that car.

It's even worse logic in this case, since pirates are not actually removing merchandise from Activision or a shelf.

Your incompetence on this topic seriously knows no bounds. Do you enjoy parroting the statements of a company? So you admit they're greedy -- congratulations. So did CEO Bobby Kotick. I've never seen someone so quickly become what amounts to a talking head for a company. Cognitive dissonance run rampant. You're going to defend MW2 to the death rather than admit you're wrong about something.

Your idea that they have to pass losses on to the consumer is an abject fail. Activision is probably the richest gaming publisher in the world at the moment. They are beyond wealthy. So now they're punishing consumers who actually paid money for the game for pirates? Does that sound like a cool move to a company who cares about gamers to you? So why are you defending them?

If they bring out a $400 map pack with 2 new maps and a pet dog, you could defend it on the basis that "ZOMG PIRATES ZOMG", but you simply have a massive comprehension fail here. This is not a correct way to do things, either from an "honest gamer" standpoint, or a method of relative costs to losses.

balli has it right here. If anyone wants to know what Bobby Kotick's dong tastes like, just ask z0sa. I can't believe how huge of a fanboy you are. It's sickening that you defend a megamassive company like Activision for punishing gamers.

This is the "Yes sir, may I please have another" opus for Mr. z0sa here. We should all send him some lube.

[z0sa]

That's a meaningless rant if I've ever seen one.

Activision charges $5 more than usual for a DLC on a game you refuse to play, and you still find some way to complain. You should find something better to do with your time than be bitter over MW2 or its DLC since neither affects you.

As for you calling me ignorant, I could point to multiple "points" in your post that are beyond ignorant.

For example, comparing stealing a $400,000 ferrari to stealing a $60 game. If that's not ludicrous, and symptomatic of borderline re ation or some extreme blinders, I don't know what is.

The majority of people who download a game can afford it - that's a fact. There's not many people who have capable gaming peripherals and the technological know how - oh, and a paid internet subscription - who can't afford $60 for a game they want badly enough they'll steal it.


In case you didn't notice, video games have gone up in price only marginally in the last 25 years but the cost of making them has skyrocketed exponentially in the same time frame. You're definitely getting your bang for your buck.

I love how I haven't yet defended the price once and specifically kept my line of allegiance neutral, yet I've been called a fanboy by you, a famed IW sucker before they broke your little heart. Remember telling me Wolfenstein isn't worth the money because better , like MW2, was on the horizon - and before either game was out? Pathetic.