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Too deep? No
Playing too many players? Yes
I agree DPG21920.
I don't get all this TP hatred.
This guy has done everything the Spurs asked of him. The Spurs realized his greatest strength was not being a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd type PG. But a scoring PG...who has speed and quickness as an asset.
Also, he has develop a decent jump shot and hasn't caused trouble.
I just don't get it.
It seems like the spoiled Spurs fans have a Lexus and is a great car....but still wants that BMW that they see from a distance.
The grass isn't always greener with a new girl.
Unbeliveable!!
TP needs to stay as long as TD and Manu are still here. He is an important part of the Big 3.
Too deep? No
Playing too many players? Yes
I don't hate Tony. I just think it may be time for a true play maker. When we had the versatile vets like Horry and Bowen, Tony could get away with just driving and either scoring or kicking out to a clutch shooter. We don't have those players or premier shooters any more, and we need someone who can REALLY RUN a half court offense. Tony isn't that person. He's just shown the complete inability to mesh with too many players who could REALLY help us like Blair and RJeff. In a way, it's almost tragic just watching how well a play maker like Manu can run this offense and find not only spot up shooters, but people on back cuts or dives down the lane, things Tony is pretty much blind to.
The Spurs are playing better for three simple reasons.
#1. We are playing better Defense. This is because Parker is out, Finley is gone and Bonner is playing less minutes. This is also true because Hill and Manu are playing a lot of minutes and they are both obviously excellent defenders.
#2. Our Offense has more varied now that Parker isn't playing and taking a lot of shots. Yes, it hurts to say this, but Parker can sometimes kill the offense. Not all the time of course, but sometimes. When Parker's shot is hitting, he always has a hard time getting other players involved other than Timmy. HE IS A SCORING PG, NOT A PASS FIRST PG. This isn't some "Parker Hater" comment, this is just reality.
#3. We are playing RJ signifficant minutes next to Manu and we are isolating him and letting him do his thing. This again, makes our Offense more varied and makes it harder to stop the Spurs from scoring points.
In my opinion, those are the three main reasons.
Or could it be that the opponents suck?
George Hill is the most overrated defender by Spurs fans.
It's not like the are beating the Raptors. Miami and the Suns are good teams.
Miami and Toronto have about the same record.
Parker played in the win over the Suns. He was a team best +15. That game is a poor choice to prove the team is better without Parker.
I remember this one...2007, Spurs were only up 3-1 on their own home court against a Denver team that had made it out of the first round as recently as 1993, including 3 appearances in the first round in previous years....nail biting knee quaking situation...a situation which would make even the ballsiest of compe ors start looking for a place to hide.
But not Mike Finley...when it was time to separate the men from the boys, Michael Finley stood all alone as
THE
MAN
Spurs ended up squeaking out a 15 point win thanks to Finley's incredibly clutch play.
I just don't see us replacing that sort of stuff with anyone on this current roster.
I mean who in the besides Michael Finley is capable of stepping up at home in a series his team leads 3-1 against a team that been bounced in the first round the previous 2 years and hadn't won a playoff series in a decade or so?
No one...no one cept Michael Finley that is.
#1- Hill's defense has been TERRIBLE as a starter..I'm not the only one that thinks this, it has been voiced by many people here..the D has been better because the opponents were poor..
#2- See: opponents..
#3- RJ hasn't really scored much in iso situations in this stretch..also, see: poor opponents..
Too deep is when you have a lot of players playing great and it's hard to settle on a rotation because of that. No such thing for the Spurs this season.
We've just been terribly inconsistent all season long, even now. The difference now is that the new guys are finally figuring out what their role is, and most importantly Manu has found his rhythm and some guys are elevating their games alongside him (like Hill).
But we still have sore spots. Mason and Blair were great for a stretch early on, and now they're stinking up the joint. Bogans and Bonner will give you a great game and then a subpar game. We still have 18 games to keep on working on that consistency...
HAHA yeah, I loved the Predator.
^^^^^^^^^^^ This.
I don't think the team is better w/o , I think you were wrong in saying they only beat bad teams.Miami and Toronto have about the same record.
Parker played in the win over the Suns. He was a team best +15. That game is a poor choice to prove the team is better without Parker.
Wade > Raptors.
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it seems like we are getting what you called for a month or so ago. Getting Pop to stick to a rotation, and play those players 30+ minutes without exception. I realize you never meant for that rotation to be without Parker but we are definitely getting what you called for and the results speak for themselves. (even though we are playing scrub teams)
I can definitely see the lineup consistency leading to cohesion and that leading to wins over winning teams.
Wrong. Keep dreaming... and, per usual ...
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They salary dumped Brewer. They salary dumped Eric Maynor. Boozer is going to walk. That's an awful lot of talent going out the door with nothing coming back in.
I won't say we were too deep. Pop just needed to settle with his rotations. With injury to Parker, Finley gone, Mason in the dog house, I think it forced his hand. Also, with these guys not playing (or in Mason's case, playing very little), it also takes the pressure off the players who are getting time. They don't have to worry as much about making mistakes since Pop is less likely to pull them, since there's really not many guys on the bench he trust to sub.
Except that lottery pick you alluded to.
And since you're so sure that Deron is out for his friends first, I can guarantee you he'd rather pass the ball to Millsap than that soft chump Boozer who Deron knows full well is only playing well because he's in a contract year. In other words, Deron ing hated Boozer last year, all through the playoffs and all through last summer. More or less advocated losing him. I doubt one regular season has changed his mind.
And yeah, good job digging up a quote that Deron rattled off about 10 hours after they traded away a good friend of his. I doubt that two years from now that Ronnie Brewer is going to factor into Deron's decision one iota, or that there's even a remote possibility, whatsoever, he holds it against The Jazz until then. Especially considering the fact that we're not substantially worse with Matthews (who by the way just scored 29 points and is about as good a defender as you'll find in a two guard). Deron's a smart dude, don't confuse his immediate emotion with his ability to understand the salary cap.
And finally- ooooooooooh- Eric Maynor, I'm sure Deron's walking over that guy.
Agreed. Tony has done nothing but exceed expectations and continue to improve. He does what he does, and does it well. We have Manu and Hill if we need more assists, but sometimes we need to make the other team cry about how much the Spurs point guard is living in the paint!
They were. Not necessarily overloaded with high quality players, but they had twelve guys who expected to play. There's a difference between expecting to and wanting to. I honestly think all twelve of them thought that they'd, if not for the entire season, eventually be in the rotation down the stretch and in the playoffs. You can't have that on a team. What it lead to was Pop playing mad scientist with the rotation way too much. Essentially, the first fifty games were an extended training camp. How can an ounce of chemistry or continuity be forged while doing that? It can't.
Now, things are clear. When Parker is healthy, we know the nine man playoff rotation, we know primarily who will play with who, approximately how many minutes each player is likely to see, etc. The team is better off for it.
If this team is legitimately peaking, then if Parker returns and is, say, 75% of what we're used to seeing (I agree with timvp, he's the least reliant on rhythm of the big three), this team could make some noise in the playoffs. If Martin is a no-go or greatly diminished, then the already thin on the front line Nuggets instantly become somewhat vulnerable. As for the rest of the teams in the 3-7 range, they could realistically all beat each other in a series. Even the almighty Mavs, I don't think they're exempt from this group. They may be at the head of it, but they're in it.
lol, who did Ratliff take minutes away from?
Maybe Parker's latest injury is a blessing in disguise. The Spurs are playing well without Parker, and some folks on here worry that when Parker comes back, he could disrupt the rhythm and chemistry the Spurs have built up with their recent winning streak. That could happen, but I don't think Parker and Pop will allow that to happen. If anything when Parker comes back for the playoffs, Parker's ability to get into the paint and score will add another element to the offense as well as improve the Spurs fastbreak. It might take Parker a couple games to get back into playing shape, but hopefully he will be ready to roll for the playoffs. The Spurs are playing well without him, but they need Parker if they want to make a run in the playoffs IMO.
How can you be too deep when the Coach doesn't test out the depth whatsoever, and that which he does test and pass by common standards, still is deemed a failure?
Ian, Ratliff, Bogans, and Hairston's time for fighting for minutes was EARLY in the season. Not now. Now it just seems like Pop is less averse to the idea of losing since we've made no noise all season and so he'll play the "depth".
Since Parker has been out. The OP claims the team gels better without Parker, so I pointed out that the victories have been over poor teams. The proof will be some victories over top teams without Parker.
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