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Funny thing is I think its Monta that actually needs to go, dude's a ball hog, he shoots too much, and the guy is a turnover king. Monta should be traded. Warriors management ought to build around Curry, Randolph, and Morrow. Nuff said.
Stephen Curry's an impressive little dude; damn that boy can shoot and he can play the PG perfectly well despite all Monta said.
Funny thing is I think its Monta that actually needs to go, dude's a ball hog, he shoots too much, and the guy is a turnover king. Monta should be traded. Warriors management ought to build around Curry, Randolph, and Morrow. Nuff said.
And btw why the wasn't Monta traded after the moped incident?
Fast pace plus Stephen Curry plus high scoring equals ratings. Trade that little loser, Monta Ellis away, please.
Good call. Interesting that there seems to be a real revolt among mainstream NBA fans against these Ellis/Arenas/Iverson shoot shoot shoot and threaten to lead the league in scoring but with a mediocre TS% types. Maybe people really are starting to get what makes a player great (hint: it isn't necessarily scoring 25PPG).
BTW how do the Warriors find all these 2nd round SGs who turn out to be awesome scorers? They sure know how to find talent low in the draft, too bad they can't figure out what to do with it.
It just pisses me off sometimes how Ellis called Curry out when the reality is that he's one of the problems on that team and not Curry. And Don Nelson has always been a genius at drafting good players late in the draft, problem is he's also a moron at running teams. How can you coach the run 'n' gun style for so long and not realize it doesn't work?! Yes, its exciting basketball but you're not gunna win with that style. Nelson has had teams play this style for years and still has not changed. If "Insanity" is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result then Nelson is clearly insane.
You know what? Don Nelson isn't insane, he probably just doesn't give a anymore. At his age he probably just wants to cash his checks and drink his beer, it when I'm his age I'll probably act the same way.
The 80s Lakers won plenty with run-n-gun. Of course, they had an insanely talented team as well as a couple guys who were game changers on the defensive end. But they were definitely still run-n-gun.
You can say the league has changed since then, and that's true. But I don't think there's anything innately wrong with the run-n-gun philosophy. With the right talent, it could definitely win multiple championships again. I'd like to see it again... Showtime was some of the most entertaining basketball ever played.
I've been saying that for months.
It's not only the Lakers. The 80s Celtics played at a faster pace than the Warriors. Until the 90s pretty much every team winning the league was a run'n'gun team. In fact, that's the more successful philosophy in the grand scheme of things.
I agree, there's no reason why a run'n'gun team can't win. That's a myth because only a couple of teams have adopted that philosophy and those teams didn't have much talent/were unlucky. But things changed a bit recently: the Lakers won the championship last season playing at a top-5 pace in the league and not particularly slower than the Warriors.
Anyone who thinks the Warriors would be more successful slowing down the game should be on meds.
Don Nelson is hte best asset the Warriors franchise have if they want to build a winner. Don Nelson has been wanting to ship out Ellis and Biedrins for a year. He loves the Curry/Morrow backcourt. But Don Nelson isn't the Warriors owner.
They don't play any defense. It makes for some interesting basketball with stars going off.
they could have gotten mayo+thabeet for him. rofl warriors
You won't have to worry about seeing them that much on national tv that much for the rest of the season. They have only have one more game this season on national tv. I think some reasons why they are on national tv is because of the bandwagon that was created after they butt raped the Mavs in the 1st round in 2007. Their timezone helps too. However, you could say that they when they are on national tv they are usually playing a contender or elite team like the Nuggets, Blazers, Jazz, or Lakers or some good team from the East.
You guys are funny, the Lakers and Celtics teams that won championships playing at a fast pace had hall of famers on their team. They could play any style of basketball and still find ways to win. They were super talented, they played physical and they played defense. Please let us not disrespect those guys by bringing up the 18-48 Warriors into the same sentence as them.
Your problem is with the talent, not the style of play.
If you want to say that you can't win without talent, then sure, you're right.
Idk I'm just not convinced about running and gunning, you have to go back to the 80s to find teams that won championships with this style. The teams that won with Run N Gun had Hall of Fame players and played defense. And besides the league has changed since those days, in the playoffs the games slow down no matter how much a team tries to run. That's when your inside game, defense, and rebounding come into play. Maybe a team can win playing with that style but I simply don't believe in it. I do think a team should try to run when they get the chance, why not try and get an easy two points if you can? No problem with that, but to make your whole team strategy just running and jacking up shots is NOT championship basketball.
It is the talent of the Warriors' frontcourt that translates into this Warriors style. No one wants to see the Warriors dump the ball to Chris Hunter in the post. The Warriors would suck more if this happens.
The league changed, it can and will change again. Fans in the 80s probably thought the game would always look like it did then. The 90s defense-first dominant philosophy (started by the Pistons' success 88-90) changed that though. And then in the 00s the emergence of the three-point shot has changed it again.
I would not bet my retirement on a run-n-gun team not winning a chip in the foreseeable future.
Well if the Run n Gun team has enough talent and can defend then they can probably win it. Problem is that most Run n Gun teams nowadays jack up shots, and they don't defend their hardest because they just wanna get the ball back so they can jack up more shots.
Are you seriously saying Nellieball is something Pat Riley would countenance? If Don Nelson had Kareem on his team he'd start James Worthy at center.
I doubt it. If so, it's a coincidence. That's basically a variation of the myth that D'Antoni's Suns were a terrible defensive team.Well if the Run n Gun team has enough talent and can defend then they can probably win it. Problem is that most Run n Gun teams nowadays jack up shots, and they don't defend their hardest because they just wanna get the ball back so they can jack up more shots.
There's no older trick in the coaching job that slowing down the pace in order to make it look like the games are closer/your team defends better than it actually does.
The same Nelson who was the first believer in a 7footer from Germany? The guy who made Terry mings one of the best scorers in the league? Or the one who traded for a washed-up Bob Lanier?
Yeah, he'd never play Kareem, he obviously hates skilled big men.
He'd try to turn Kareem into a 3 point shooter.
Nellieball = 1-12 in conference championship games against teams with big men.
I doubt it. He didn't turn Lanier, mings or Nowitzki a 3 pt shooter - Nowitzki was already one. Or Seikaly. That's another myth. Even this season Warriors, who are nothing but a bunch of jump-shooting guards, are barely a top-10 team in 3pt attempts - even though they play at a frenetic pace compared to the rest of the league.
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